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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
posts: 3240
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017

Hi,

Does anyone out there have any information on the TR7 rally car with the reg number SCE654S?

Only reference I can find is to a single entry on the 1977 Lombard Rally for the lesser-known Finnish driver Markku Saaristo.

Any information appreciated.

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
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70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 1 of 22

I see it is forsale, I enquired for more details of what was included with the car but the seller is slow to respond.

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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 2 of 22

PS it is SCE645S
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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
posts: 3240
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 3 of 22

Yeah, That's the thing - it's for sale, claiming to be a works car, but heavily modified, and the only reference I can find is on the 77 Lombard. The seller also said the 'works driver' was an Italian driver called Markku Saaristo, but he's Finnish.

When pressed, he said the car was also prepared by Safety Devices, which to me, means it's not a works car...?

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 4 of 22

Quoted from Jonny-Jimbo
Yeah, That's the thing - it's for sale, claiming to be a works car, but heavily modified, and the only reference I can find is on the 77 Lombard. The seller also said the 'works driver' was an Italian driver called Markku Saaristo, but he's Finnish.

When pressed, he said the car was also prepared by Safety Devices, which to me, means it's not a works car...?


1st hit on Google!

13. SCE 645S This was the only works TR7 not built at Abingdon, It was assembled at the Safety Devices factory at Newmarket. It was only used once by the works team at the 1977 RAC rally and it had a 16v sprint engine. Markku Saaristo and Ian Grindrod brought the car home in37th place overall.

The chap selling it appears to work for M-Sport so id imagine he would have had a good idea about it tbh. I wonder how its been heavily Modified?
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"RobPearce"
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 5 of 22

Was just about to post the same note from the same first hit on Google!

The reg. also appears on http://vasmel.com/Lic-GreatBritain.htm showing as a "BMC/Rallye" entry based in Cambridge.

I'm not sure "works at M-Sport" would encourage me that much but then I deal with M-Sport on a daily basis as part of my day job.  
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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
posts: 3240
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 6 of 22

If the reg number is as you say, and not what he told me via email, that would explain why when I googled it I didn't get any results!!

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
posts: 3240
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 7 of 22

Still not exactly an illustrious rallying history.

As far as i can tell Benzo, it's basically just a shell now.

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 8 of 22

Quoted from Jonny-Jimbo
Still not exactly an illustrious rallying history.

As far as i can tell Benzo, it's basically just a shell now.


Very true, also when it is stated in the advert -

Im informed that restored to it's original state its 80 grand

Makes me assume he thinks he has a clinker.

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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 9 of 22

What's a clinker in GB English? As in a ringer? Not the original shell etc?

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 10 of 22

Quoted from Jonny-Jimbo
What's a clinker in GB English? As in a ringer? Not the original shell etc?


Sorry, what I mean is he most likely thinks a lot of what he has if he is putting an 80k final price tag on it considering its history isn't fantastic.

Id like to know his asking price and what is included, it would still be nice to have.
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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
posts: 3240
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 11 of 22

I talked to him a fair bit (he's a friend of a friend), and he just wouldn't put an asking price on it, only 'open to offers'. For the right price, it would be nice to have, but then what is a rotten TR7 shell worth??

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 12 of 22

Quoted from Jonny-Jimbo
I talked to him a fair bit (he's a friend of a friend), and he just wouldn't put an asking price on it, only 'open to offers'. For the right price, it would be nice to have, but then what is a rotten TR7 shell worth??


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"Beans"
posts: 5699
Netherlands
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 posted Tue 21st Nov 2017 reply 13 of 22

Might be a privateer rally car (maybe BL supported), as it doesn't show in the official works list ...

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"Stuart Wilson"
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 posted Wed 22nd Nov 2017 reply 14 of 22

Roof looks damaged in that picture, reg number just doesn't look right for a "works" car

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"Ridgetone Triumph"
posts: 1900
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 posted Wed 22nd Nov 2017 reply 15 of 22

I think part of one stage it was driven on its roof  

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"last sprint"
posts: 9
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 posted Sun 26th Nov 2017 reply 16 of 22

Definitely a works car, it is on the list of factory cars. It was entered by the factory in the 1977 RAC rally.
It was the only works car built at Safety Devices hence the SCE prefix. Bill Price has it in his list of cars for the 77 RAC, the only time it was used.
The last time I saw it it had a 4.6 V8 installed, looked a very quick car.
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"Benzo"
posts: 265
non member
 posted Mon 27th Nov 2017 reply 17 of 22

Quoted from last sprint
Definitely a works car, it is on the list of factory cars. It was entered by the factory in the 1977 RAC rally.
It was the only works car built at Safety Devices hence the SCE prefix. Bill Price has it in his list of cars for the 77 RAC, the only time it was used.
The last time I saw it it had a 4.6 V8 installed, looked a very quick car.


How long ago was it that you saw it competing?
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"Jonny-Jimbo-1"
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 posted Mon 27th Nov 2017 reply 18 of 22

I understand it's been standing for the best part of 10 years, and it currently does not have that engine, gearbox or running gear, although i may have misunderstood the sellers messages.

I certainly do not want to misrepresent the facts, the car or seller with this post, but I do want to know the truth, and it seems the issue I was having was the reg number being misquoted.

 62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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"Beans"
posts: 5699
Netherlands
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 posted Mon 27th Nov 2017 reply 19 of 22

Quoted from last sprint
Definitely a works car, it is on the list of factory cars. It was entered by the factory in the 1977 RAC rally ...

I stand corrected. It (SCE 645S) indeed is listed as entrant to the 1977 Lombard RAC Rally!

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"last sprint"
posts: 9
non member
 posted Wed 13th Dec 2017 reply 20 of 22

I saw it about 15 years ago, belonged to a chap in Wales. It was before I bought TUD 682T which was in 2007.
What is the car like now.
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