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"Beans"
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 posted Wed 29th Oct 2008 reply 61 of 143

Boohoooo  ... Looks like a rebuild of


1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
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"omichaelshar"
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 posted Sat 1st Nov 2008 reply 62 of 143

Quoted from Beans
He, he, nearly there
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"omichaelshar"
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 posted Sat 1st Nov 2008 reply 63 of 143

Theo, I mean't in the above, can you share a pic (and dimensions if possible) that shows how the caluper mounts to the strut, ie, equivalent to this:
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"Beans"
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 posted Sat 1st Nov 2008 reply 64 of 143

Quoted from omichaelshar
... wondered if you could share a pic of how your calipers are mounted to the strut hubs ...

Of for this years Nightrally, will see if I can take same piccies tomorrow.

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"Beans"
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 posted Mon 3rd Nov 2008 reply 65 of 143

Sorry, had to dig out one of the cars taking part in this years "Nachtrit" from deepest darkest Belgium yesterday ...
As it's dark as I get home from work this time of year you'll have to wait at least til next weekend for some piccies from the inside ...

Some general piccies which give an impression how they are fitted ...

Caliper with the (radial) mounting holes visible...



Mounting bracket with bolts ...



Mounted caliper with mounting bolts to the right ...

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"omichaelshar"
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 posted Tue 4th Nov 2008 reply 66 of 143

Thanks Theo. Don't go to a special effort to photo the inside this weekend - but next time you have T'Kreng on the hoist I would be grateful if you snap a couple.

I had never seen radially mounted calipers fitted and am curious about the mounting braket used. I assume this is fixed using the original caliper fixings to the strut. I don't suppose you took any measurements of the bracket before fixing?
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"Beans"
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 posted Tue 4th Nov 2008 reply 67 of 143

Quoted from omichaelshar
... Don't go to a special effort to photo the inside this weekend - but next time you have T'Kreng on the hoist I would be grateful if you snap a couple.

It's still on axle stands with the wheels of do that's not much of a problem  

Quoted from omichaelshar
... I assume this is fixed using the original caliper fixings to the strut ...  

Correct

Quoted from omichaelshar
...I don't suppose you took any measurements of the bracket before fixing?

Euhh ... aslo correct   I'll get a tape measurement in the piccies for comparison.
Will try to measure the most important dim's

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"omichaelshar"
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 posted Wed 5th Nov 2008 reply 68 of 143

Thanks Theo.

Any data would be very much appreciated.

Owen
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"Beans"
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 posted Sat 8th Nov 2008 reply 69 of 143

As a temporary fix for the tyre clearance problem I made up a pair of wheel spacers from some old rear brake drums.
See how they are going to fit tomorrow ...

Before ...



Afterwards ...

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"JohnD"
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 posted Sun 9th Nov 2008 reply 70 of 143

Respect for the enterprise, and the workmanship, Theo, but universal alloy spacers cost about £3 each, and weight  a lot less.
See: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-X-5mm-.....C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

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"Beans"
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 posted Sun 9th Nov 2008 reply 71 of 143

Well the search for the drums took me more time than the actual machining, which was less than an hour.
They indeed aren't light but then it's a temporary fix.
As soon as I have sorted the springs/struts they'll be removed.

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"Beans"
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 posted Sun 9th Nov 2008 reply 72 of 143

Quoted from omichaelshar
... Any data would be very much appreciated ...

Viewed from above...



Bracket is 16mm wide where it is mounted to the strut;
At the back it's 21.5mm wide;
The mounting holes for the caliper are centered at the back;
Distance from face of hub to heartline of disc is 65mm;
Discs are 28mm thick

Viewed from the inside ...



Total height of bracket is 188mm;
Mounting holes are 148mm apart;

No decent measurements of the distance between mounting bolts and rear of bracket.
This also depends on the disc diameter, mine are

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"omichaelshar"
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 posted Mon 10th Nov 2008 reply 73 of 143

Thanks Theo for the nice pics and data.

I must have missed a thread regarding the need to spacers. I take it these are being fitted between the disk hat and hub? I might be dumb today as I can't visualise how this helps tyre clearance. Wont they move the hub face more outboard, thus bringing them closer to the wheel arch? Or is it that more clearance is needed inboard for some reason?

Owen
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"Beans"
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 posted Tue 11th Nov 2008 reply 74 of 143

The spacer goes between hub and wheel, thus creating more room on the inside between tyre wall ans front upright

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
Tags - TR7 TR7 Sprint TR7 V8 TR8
"Beans"
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 posted Sun 30th Nov 2008 reply 75 of 143

Decided to go for adjustable coil overs on all four corners of 't Kreng.
Ordered through the (local) Dutch firm AST-Suspension.
Only problem is that space for rear top mount is a bit limited ...



But that shouldn't be problem as they will make up a set to order  
Also the rear suspension turret is a bit narrow ...



Luckily they can supply rather narrow springs to sort this issue.
The set should be ready just before Christmas ...

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
Tags - TR7 TR7 Sprint TR7 V8 TR8
"Beans"
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 posted Thu 29th Jan 2009 reply 76 of 143

With a slight delay (originally planned as a Christmas present), the new suspension set up for


1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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"stricky"
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 posted Fri 30th Jan 2009 reply 77 of 143

Theo, they sure look the business  

 '81 TR7 DHC
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"Beans"
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 posted Sun 8th Feb 2009 reply 78 of 143

Started with fitting the new front suspension today.
First removing and trial fitting ...





Hope to get the car ready with in the next few weeks

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
Tags - TR7 TR7 Sprint TR7 V8 TR8
"Beans"
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 posted Sat 14th Feb 2009 reply 79 of 143

One side ready ...






... safe for the brake hose that is.

Mounting of the front struts didn't exactly go to plan  

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
Tags - TR7 TR7 Sprint TR7 V8 TR8
"Beans"
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 posted Mon 23rd Feb 2009 reply 80 of 143

Front suspension upgrade nearly ready ...
Had the brake hoses shortened and other banjo-ends fitted ...



Both struts now in place ...



Front of the car stands slightly higher now.  With the lower spring seat at its lowest setting (with the springs just seated on full droop that is) the car sits a bit higher then with the old struts.
Will first drive the car a bit to see how she handles with the new and much stiffer springs. To start with I have put the dampers at their softest settings.

Only need to bleed the brakes ...

1976 TR7 FHC (currently undergoing some TLC ...)
1980 TR7 DHC (a.k.a. Kermette, my first car bought in 1988 )
1981 TR7 FHC (Sprint engined, a.k.a. 't Kreng)
http://tr7beans.blogspot.com/
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