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Hairy Bobis
November 22, 2017, 9:23pm Report to Moderator
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I was hoping to replace the rubber washers on the steering coupling on my 13/60 Herald, the existing washers are perished.
However after close inspection it looks like the bolts joining the upper joint to the lower joint are 'splayed' at the ends, being a critical part I am assuming this is so they cannot loosen and fall out in use.

I was expecting the bolts to be retained with locking wire however I do not think this is an original part as the nut and bolt holding the clamp to the column was a metric size (13mm).

Is this repairable using these bolts?  I am doubting this.

Or can I use replacement bolts which allow the use of locking wire, if so can anyone recommend a supplier?

Or have I wasted my money on a superflex kit and should get a universal joint that are sold by the usual Triumph suppliers?

Many thanks,

Sav




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yorkshire_spam
November 22, 2017, 9:49pm Report to Moderator

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I gave up trying to repair my one with the splayed bolts and asked Spitfire Graveyard to send me one with the lock wire (which they did at a reasonable price) which I then re-bushed with polybushes.
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RobPearce
November 23, 2017, 10:29am Report to Moderator

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If you carefully grind off the splayed ends and drill into the bolt a little, you should be able to remove them. If that fails, grind off the heads, pull the thing apart and cut a slot across the remnants of bolts to screw them further in and through. Both methods destroy the bolts but they're not reusable anyway. Then find some slightly over-long bolts of the right thread and cross-drill them for wire locking.

If you wreck it in the process you can always do as Mr Spam did


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yorkshire_spam
November 23, 2017, 10:41am Report to Moderator

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Be aware that the bolts themselves are stepped with a wider than usual shank - and as such are made of unobtainium. (I'm passing on the very helpful warning that Clive Senior gave me at the time!)

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RobPearce
November 23, 2017, 1:51pm Report to Moderator

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You're right, I'd forgotten that (hey, it's been weeks since I rebuilt Toby's one!)
Actually, the photo doesn't look like stepped bolts (and allen-head bolts are not original) so I wonder whether this one has been rebuilt wrongly at some point in the past.


Current fleet
1967 Vitesse 2L conv "Tessa"
1970 Spitfire Mk3 (project) "Toby"
1972 GT6 Mk3
Not enough time or space
Recently sold:
1972 2.5 PI estate "Harry" (gone to russell on here)
1973 Toledo 2-door "Spike" (gone to a club official)
Used to have:
1968 Vitesse 2L saloon
1980 Dolomite 1500
1977 Dolomite 1850
1980 Dolomite Sprint
1982 TR7 DHC Sprint
1975 2500S saloon
1971 Herald 13/60 Estate (with 1500 Spit engine)
1975 Stag
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Nick Jones
November 23, 2017, 3:56pm Report to Moderator

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Don't like these at all.

Have had various in the past.  The original wire-locked ones are re-buildable and I have done so in the past both with suitably sized O-rings and proper poly-bush kits.  They never seem to last long.  Possibly because I have a Vitesse with a Herald rack and steering effort is high.

For the last 10 years or so I've been using a proper UJ sourced from Bill @ Rarebits and it's been faultless.

Chris rebuilt a wire-locked joint for his Spit using a proper poly-bush kit.  That lasted less than 1000 miles before play became excessive again.  That's now been replaced with a UJ similar to mine though I don't remember where he got it from.  Must investigate what went wrong with the original as it really should have done better than it did.

Nick


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Alex
November 23, 2017, 7:38pm Report to Moderator

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Do I remember correctly that the escort mk1/2 steering knuckle can fit the triumphs?


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Hairy Bobis
November 23, 2017, 8:45pm Report to Moderator
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Many thanks for your replies.

Looks like I have wasted £15+ on a poly bush kit then!

It seems the best long term option is to go down the UJ route.


Which is the best UJ to fit? It's only a road car so nothing fancy is needed but I would like a quality part.

Are they a straight swap or do they need 'fetling' to fit?

Apologies for so many questions.

Thanks

Sav
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Velocita Rosso
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Quoted from Alex
Do I remember correctly that the escort mk1/2 steering knuckle can fit the triumphs?


Think you`re right
...and they are a straight exchange with no messing and more MOT friendly, being solid


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November 25, 2017, 12:00pm Report to Moderator


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Hello HB,

the double diameter bolts are a common item, referred to as shoulder bolts, used in industry, try googling to find suppliers.

Alec


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Hairy Bobis
November 25, 2017, 7:54pm Report to Moderator
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Many thanks for the replies.

I think I will go down the UJ route, this appears to be a fit and forget solution, which appeals to me. Keep it simple!

After a bit of internet hunting I see these Escort UJs retail around £25. Time to raid the piggy bank.

Once again many thanks.

Sav

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