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mazfg
November 17, 2017, 1:46pm Report to Moderator


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With my gearbox currently being rebuilt..I was thinking of taking the clutch out and wondered how easy it would be to take the flywheel off and replace the crankshaft rear oil seal?

I see theres a scroll type and no scroll type crank??  Slightly confused? I do have a reddy orange coloured seal to fit..but wondering if this is correct??


Current: Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible with O/D 1964

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glang
November 17, 2017, 8:00pm Report to Moderator

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Yes I recommend changing the seal while youre at this stage and it isnt difficult although you will need to realign the clutch afterwards. Mark everything as you take it off so that it all goes back the same and of course check the state of the friction plate while your at it. However Im not sure when the scroll type was superseded and you need to find out as theres probably no point dismantling things if you do have that type....
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mazfg
November 18, 2017, 8:35am Report to Moderator


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Yes I recommend changing the seal while youre at this stage and it isnt difficult although you will need to realign the clutch afterwards. Mark everything as you take it off so that it all goes back the same and of course check the state of the friction plate while your at it. However Im not sure when the scroll type was superseded and you need to find out as theres probably no point dismantling things if you do have that type....


Thanks. I think I read somewhee on Rimmers that pre certain engine numbers it was scroll wheel?   The clutch was fitted March last year and haven't driven huge amounts so should be good. I have an alignment tool so no problem re-doing that.


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DanM
November 18, 2017, 9:23am Report to Moderator

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1600 to HB32487E should be scroll all others lip. Though if it is a 1600 you won't really know until you look as who knows what has been changed over the years. If it's the Herald a 1966 is probably lip type
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mazfg
November 18, 2017, 11:16am Report to Moderator


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How easy do those flywheel come off?

Mines 1964..I havea feeling it'll be a scroll.....
http://www.mevspares.co.uk/REA....._cat=264&child=0


Rimmers do the old scroll type..¬£24 :/  https://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-137374U


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DanM
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the scroll type seal is metal so won't fail it is really just a sleeve over a spiral on the crank that pushes the oil back in when rotating. flywheel comes off very easily
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Hogie
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Hi Maz,
            the scroll seal is a very simple device but it can be fitted badly. It needs to be central about the crank journal.
To replace or re-set the scroll seal you need the engine out and the crank out.

If it is similar to the TR seal/crank then the Australians have a very simple seal that simply fits over the flywheel attachment flange.

Using two 'O' ring seals that are a nice fit over the crank journal. Put one in place then the other over the top of it.
The oil leakage will lubricate the seal but will not get past it.

very simple and you do not have to take the engine out.. Flywheel off, seals on, refit flywheel.

Roger


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Pete Lewis
November 18, 2017, 5:26pm Report to Moderator

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Scrolls are good they  never wear out
flywheel off is easy, to centalise the scroll hsg if its needed is just equally space some feelers between hsg and crank, you can do it simply with  the engine in situ ,
certainly does not need the crank out  
you would only need a new hsg. If it had been fouled by the crank and damaged

if you have some feeler strip you run it round the crank but 3 similar feelers will do the job very easily,
From experience it will not need any attention,  they may have some misting around the hsg,  normal.
like gearbox front scrolls  if parked on the side of Mount everest they can leak as can over filling,


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000¬†¬† Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim¬†¬†been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
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I can only echo the other comments in favour of scrolls. They need a little care in setting up but nothing you can't tackle with ordinary tools and a little patience, and they don't wear out. Yes they can pass a wee bit of oil but in practice it's not enough to cause any problems and certainly a lot less than leaks from the other "usual suspect" places. IMO a scroll is probably the best bet.
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mazfg
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Quoted from Bitumen Boy
I can only echo the other comments in favour of scrolls. They need a little care in setting up but nothing you can't tackle with ordinary tools and a little patience, and they don't wear out. Yes they can pass a wee bit of oil but in practice it's not enough to cause any problems and certainly a lot less than leaks from the other "usual suspect" places. IMO a scroll is probably the best bet.


So, if I have a scroll...is it likely ok?  Just reading the replies I'm guessing it's the best one to have over a lipped oil seal. There are no further seals to a scroill..just the scroll and the hosuing and the gasket?

I guess best thing is to remove the clutch and flywheel and inspect. I'll take some pics too.


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Pete Lewis
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If there is no oil drips down from behind  the flywheel just go  'great'  and leave it all alone  its working fine  
pete


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000¬†¬† Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim¬†¬†been  restored without running since 1997
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mazfg
November 29, 2017, 11:04pm Report to Moderator


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Took the clutch off and had a look at the buttomoment of the flywheel. ..as you can see. ..no oil..just a lady bird ūüėä
Unfortunately I couldn't get the flywheel off.the bolts were too stiff.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KC_Gpv5hYEXVw5b7d9wNWDUZa6A5MfxM


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Nick Jones
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If it ain't broke......... don't fix it!  (Don't have permission to view the pic btw).

Nick


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That link says I don't have access rights...


Current fleet
1967 Vitesse 2L conv "Tessa"
1970 Spitfire Mk3 (project) "Toby"
1972 GT6 Mk3
Not enough time or space
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1972 2.5 PI estate "Harry" (gone to russell on here)
1973 Toledo 2-door "Spike" (gone to a club official)
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1980 Dolomite 1500
1977 Dolomite 1850
1980 Dolomite Sprint
1982 TR7 DHC Sprint
1975 2500S saloon
1971 Herald 13/60 Estate (with 1500 Spit engine)
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