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cliftyhanger
June 26, 2017, 8:12pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from npanne
Risks are probably minimal for the home mechanic who changes a set of pads once every couple of years,  but maybe it's a bit different if you work at a fitters and change four or five sets a day?


I found a paper about the incidence of asbestos related deaths. For brake mechanics there was only a slightly increased incidence. I have a passing interest, I studied some of this stuff at Uni, and my first job involved analysis of suspected asbestos materials (in between all sorts of other lab work, much of it slightly bizarre)
You are probably more likely to get lung disease from keeping a budgie! (I jest not)


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Nick Jones
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And definitely much more likely to get it from smoking......

Still genuinely curious to know how you find the Greenstuff pads Matt.  

Interesting also how people's experiences vary.  DS2500 are getting a bad review a couple of posts back, whereas I've been using them since 2009 (same set whole time in fact) and the only things I can find to gripe about was the initial purchase price, which made me take a deep breath at the time (though I now consider them good value even so) and that they have slightly less cold bite than Mintex M1144.  They work great, we haven't managed to fade them (and we've certainly tried), they've lasted nearly 30k so far with plenty of meat left, the discs are fine and dust rather less than either Mintex 1144 or Greenstuff.

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I've had green stuff pads on my mgbgt auto with grooved discs for last 8 years, only thing I've really noticed is that if you do a lot of gentle braking for a few weeks, they do lose some feel and stopping gets worse. All I do is take it for a B road blast with heavy braking and that brings them back up. The pads are getting low now so will try mintex pads next time


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JohnD
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VENTED discs better use of your money.


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You may not think brake fluid will make much difference, but it does. For years I used the Halfords own-brand stuff but found braking deteriorated after around 3 months. It was still fine to use, but I noticed a difference to the pedal feel. I moved to Pagid as others have said and was happy. Took around 11 months for the same to happen to it. Currently I use Millers 5.1 and it's superior in every way. I won't be swapping to another. My fluids get changed on a 12 month(ish) cycle.

As to asbestos pads. I'd say the ones I used were almost as good as the 1144's. Perhaps age had impacted their performance? I did also get them to fade at Donnington and I found as they were thin you could make them fade on the road.

I'd only recommend 1144's now to others. You may be happy with your Green Stuff, some people are. If you swapped to 1144's you'd probably like them more. According to that tool I should be using YellowStuff... Apparently even OrangeStuff if I go on track. Either way, the Green Stuff aren't "cheap pads" and won't cause you to crash. You'll still be able to lock your wheels up with them if needed.


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Matt306
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Quoted from JohnD
VENTED discs better use of your money.


Will these fit standard calipers? I have seen solid grooved discs.


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Quoted from ferny
You may not think brake fluid will make much difference, but it does. For years I used the Halfords own-brand stuff but found braking deteriorated after around 3 months. It was still fine to use, but I noticed a difference to the pedal feel. I moved to Pagid as others have said and was happy. Took around 11 months for the same to happen to it. Currently I use Millers 5.1 and it's superior in every way. I won't be swapping to another. My fluids get changed on a 12 month(ish) cycle.

As to asbestos pads. I'd say the ones I used were almost as good as the 1144's. Perhaps age had impacted their performance? I did also get them to fade at Donnington and I found as they were thin you could make them fade on the road.

I'd only recommend 1144's now to others. You may be happy with your Green Stuff, some people are. If you swapped to 1144's you'd probably like them more. According to that tool I should be using YellowStuff... Apparently even OrangeStuff if I go on track. Either way, the Green Stuff aren't "cheap pads" and won't cause you to crash. You'll still be able to lock your wheels up with them if needed.

I'll see how I  go on the green stuff then if rubbish change again. But Ill report back.



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Quoted from Matt306


Will these fit standard calipers? I have seen solid grooved discs.

No, not sure you can fit vented discs with type 12 or 14 calipers. You can git larger brakes, but the std ones should be fine.As a tip, how about removing your dust shields. You need to replace them with a washer to keep the calipers in the correct position, but removal should help the discs/brakes cool.

As to lung disease, the really high risks occur when exposed to asbestos/dusts/feathers etc AND you smoke. Risk increases hugely. IIRC (it was 39 years ago) tenfold or more.


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Foxy is here, 1500od tax exempt Toledo. Now has the decent engine back in Slant 4 engine bolted in, sprint box and axle.Now has fresh MoT. Needs paint though.
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I have had EBC green stuff pads for many years, on the second set. Never had a problem "coming off of Dartmoor" but I did once experience a severe fade at the bottom of Porlock Hill. Not the Alps but pretty steep.
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JohnD
June 27, 2017, 8:45am Report to Moderator


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Vented discs help keep your brakes cool and prevent fade.   Absolutely no doubt of that.  Many moderns are fitted with them as standard.

What do grooved or drilled discs do?    They are alleged to "release gasses" a highly dubious claim, as proper 'bedding in' should expel any residual solvents etc. and thereafter pads don't produce gas or vapour.    They are also alleged to scrape the pads clear of any metallic deposits by the action of the leading edge of the groove, which implies accelerated wear of both pad and disc.
Finally, drilling in particular weakens the disc, making it prone to cracking around each hole.  
None of these properties should commend grooved/drilled discs to anyone, especially one who is cost conscious.

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good point, well made.
But it's not the engine that stops the car.
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Matt306
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Greenstuff been in for a few day and with the standard steel disc definite upgrade ...


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Thats pretty good going as they'll probably take a few miles to bed in completely - what has improved, bite, overall braking etc?
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JohnD
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I wish people wouldn't replace some defective part with new, and then extol that particular brand and type of new part, ignoring the possibility that the old was a bit dysfunctional.
Obviously it's never possible to do double blind cross-over trials, to avoid bias, but it is possible, for instance, to test brakes.
Your MoT station for instance.

But I'm just biased!
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Out of curiosity, do greenstuff require a bedding in/curing process like the M1144 do? I sometimes wonder if the varied opinions of M1144 might (in part) be down to people not following the correct procedure.
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