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julesdingle
June 19, 2017, 9:27am Report to Moderator

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in the process of getting a g reg saloon ready for rebuild- when I bought it it had been mucked around so it will not be a purest restoration- a 1976 spitfire engine was dropped in and I have an overdrive unit that was looking for a good home. I don't know if it is just a standard car or a special- it has a white plastic grill, and a vitesse fuel tank, was de chromed [no sign of holes] from the factory and was white. The doors [and other exterior parts] deep blue- holes in the roof are absent! So just a cheaper option saloon or ex police car?


born-again classic car owner [happy to hang out with others in mid wales] [Landrover camper- Honda Insight MK1- and no doubt another bargin on ebay]
13/60 convertible 1970 restored
13/60 saloon G- 1500, rat car, to be restored with OD, upgrades
13/60 convertible F- potential concourse restoration
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thescrapman
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There was only 1 version of 13/60 as far as I know.

White plastic grill?? Not sure about that.


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Nick Jones
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Ex Police car sounds possible......

I thought all 13/60s (but certainly the later ones) had the larger Vitesse tank but could equally be an "in service upgrade" to increase the range a bit.

I think later 13/60s had plastic grills too, but probably after '69.  

Parts get swapped around over the years!

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julesdingle
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tank is as fitted as it needs an extra captive bolt in the spare wheel well- I had heard of 'popular' version without chrome strips although the rest of the car seems standard.


born-again classic car owner [happy to hang out with others in mid wales] [Landrover camper- Honda Insight MK1- and no doubt another bargin on ebay]
13/60 convertible 1970 restored
13/60 saloon G- 1500, rat car, to be restored with OD, upgrades
13/60 convertible F- potential concourse restoration
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JumpingFrog
June 19, 2017, 6:06pm Report to Moderator

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I had heard of 'popular' version without chrome strips although the rest of the car seems standard.


You might be thinking the 948S, these were only produced for a few years and there are very few left.

It's quite likely that the holes were welded up, especially when you consider early 13/60s are close to 50 years old.


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heraldcoupe
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Quoted from julesdingle
tank is as fitted as it needs an extra captive bolt in the spare wheel well- I had heard of 'popular' version without chrome strips although the rest of the car seems standard.


The only modification to install the larger tank is a hole drilled in the side of the spare wheel well, very eaisly executed. But the larger tank had made an appearance before the end of the 'G' registration year, so it could well be original.

As already stated, the Herald 948 'S' was the only Saloon to be marketed without chrome trim, the last of these dated from early 1964.

There is another explanation though, how likely it is I'll leave to your imagination...

In the early 1970s, British Leyland put out a flyer pushing the sales of all the surplus Herald body sections. Sadly, I don't have a copy, but I have seen it with my own eyes - complete bodyshells, chassis', bulkheads, all to suit practically any body style, and all at prices that would make you cry, even with inflation considered.
I've owned numerous cars with new Stanpart body components fitted around this time, including my current 948 'S' which had a late pattern 1200 bonnet fitted at this time - I have spoken to the owner who bought and fitted it. No holes for side trims at all...
Many years ago, a friend acquired a Courier Van which had received a complete 'new' Estate body and roof in the same period. This one had rotted catastrohically as it had never been rust protected, but the story from it's owner was the same.

So would a 'G' reg Saloon have needed a rebody by the mid 1970s? Seems unlikely, but considerably more plausible than being sold new without finishers,

Cheers,
Bill.



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Straight Six
June 20, 2017, 11:37am Report to Moderator


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Quoted from heraldcoupe



So would a 'G' reg Saloon have needed a rebody by the mid 1970s? Seems unlikely, but considerably more plausible than being sold new without finishers,

Cheers,
Bill.



Crash damage perhaps?

Fantastic information that I'd never heard before, thanks Bill.
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Mark Hammond
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Weird as my NOS bonnet that I used on my own 1200 did have the side moulding holes.  That was a lucky find as I was at a breakers yard collecting a gearbox for a Fiesta when I spied the open door of a container holding a large number of British Leyland panels including my bonnet (all destined for the crusher) as the owner of the scrapyard had cleared out the stock of a main dealer who had changed franchise, so I got a mint condition NOS 1200 bonnet complete in its red oxide primer for the princely sum of £40!  That was about 20 years ago though.....

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julesdingle
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The only modification to install the larger tank is a hole drilled in the side of the spare wheel well, very eaisly executed. But the larger tank had made an appearance before the end of the 'G' registration year, so it could well be original.

As already stated, the Herald 948 'S' was the only Saloon to be marketed without chrome trim, the last of these dated from early 1964.

There is another explanation though, how likely it is I'll leave to your imagination...

In the early 1970s, British Leyland put out a flyer pushing the sales of all the surplus Herald body sections. Sadly, I don't have a copy, but I have seen it with my own eyes - complete bodyshells, chassis', bulkheads, all to suit practically any body style, and all at prices that would make you cry, even with inflation considered.
I've owned numerous cars with new Stanpart body components fitted around this time, including my current 948 'S' which had a late pattern 1200 bonnet fitted at this time - I have spoken to the owner who bought and fitted it. No holes for side trims at all...
Many years ago, a friend acquired a Courier Van which had received a complete 'new' Estate body and roof in the same period. This one had rotted catastrohically as it had never been rust protected, but the story from it's owner was the same.

So would a 'G' reg Saloon have needed a rebody by the mid 1970s? Seems unlikely, but considerably more plausible than being sold new without finishers,

Cheers,
Bill.



interesting, so double checked- all panels match white colour code, and chassis is also white- sanded down the areas where holes should be and no sign either on tub or bonnet, was resprayed dark blue in the past [but not a cheap respray as does not rub off with thinners where as the later white 're-respray' does. The roof is however original white with no respraying- perhaps it was a police car and the roof was switched- the only other sign is drill holes under the dash [ but this could have been for any old radio. Unusually all the sound proofing and cards are intact.


born-again classic car owner [happy to hang out with others in mid wales] [Landrover camper- Honda Insight MK1- and no doubt another bargin on ebay]
13/60 convertible 1970 restored
13/60 saloon G- 1500, rat car, to be restored with OD, upgrades
13/60 convertible F- potential concourse restoration
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Paudman
June 20, 2017, 6:00pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from thescrapman
There was only 1 version of 13/60 as far as I know.

White plastic grill?? Not sure about that.



The plastic grille goes white if the silver coating is cleaned off, a spare one I have has gone like that.



If it was made by man, it can be dismantled and rebuilt by man. Usually just not as easily.
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heraldcoupe
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How does the inside face of each rear wing look where the trim fixings would be located? The original shells had thick sound deadening sprayed on the inside faces, welding up holes would leave telltale disturbances.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong, but I've not been aware of any 13/60 being used by Police forces. I'm also at a loss to understand why the lack of body trims would suggest this,

Cheers,
Bill.


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Paudman
June 22, 2017, 7:59am Report to Moderator

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Is it possible the car has been originally two-tone white and blue, or resprayed by a previous owner in that combination, and not Police-related colours either?

Have a look at the photo of this one I owned many years back, I don't think it was factory sprayed in that combination and so it's different to other two-tones as to which parts are over painted in maroon (or damson or whatever that horrible colour was.) Sorry it's a poor photo but was scanned many years ago from a print, I'll try to find another and scan it in higher resolution. I'll attach one of a Police Herald as well to let you see which parts were sprayed which.








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Bitumen Boy
June 22, 2017, 10:43am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Paudman
Is it possible the car has been originally two-tone white and blue, or resprayed by a previous owner in that combination, and not Police-related colours either?


Didn't some dealers apply two-tone finishes themselves? Many garages did things back in the day that would be considered "specialist" jobs these days.
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julesdingle
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Quoted from heraldcoupe
How does the inside face of each rear wing look where the trim fixings would be located? The original shells had thick sound deadening sprayed on the inside faces, welding up holes would leave telltale disturbances.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong, but I've not been aware of any 13/60 being used by Police forces. I'm also at a loss to understand why the lack of body trims would suggest this,

Cheers,
Bill.


Been removing paint- the bonnet is a new replacement- and the car was [or appears] to hav been resprayed dark blue [but not the roof]- the tub [which is in an excellent condition] has tiny welds and touched up in cream with no distortion of the sound proofing. And with no evidence of the 13/60 ever being used as a police car I can only assume why an owner de chromed it.- on that note as it will be restored as a racey [1500] with upgraded everyhing do I put chrome back [I have a lot of spare bits from other jobs job lots]? And what are people's views on non standard colours?


born-again classic car owner [happy to hang out with others in mid wales] [Landrover camper- Honda Insight MK1- and no doubt another bargin on ebay]
13/60 convertible 1970 restored
13/60 saloon G- 1500, rat car, to be restored with OD, upgrades
13/60 convertible F- potential concourse restoration
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Paudman
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Quoted from julesdingle


And what are people's views on non standard colours?


Doesn't matter a fiddlers... it's your car!
I've some lovely photos of silver Heralds, plus one amazing metallic Orange model from a few years back.... so go with whatever you like.




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