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paulfosh
April 20, 2017, 4:35pm Report to Moderator

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help please , will the 2lt engine bolt on to the 1600 gear box with out mods , have converted to 2lt clutch a while back paul,
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glang
April 20, 2017, 5:43pm Report to Moderator

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Hi Paul, not 100% sure on that but I do know the ratios wont be very nice. Even on a 2L gearbox I would like a higher 1st gear so the 1600 will be really low geared....  
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paulfosh
April 20, 2017, 6:58pm Report to Moderator

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ok not too worried about top speed , only use on country lanes odd a road do around 1500 miles a year , only going over to 2lt as hard to find parts for the 1600
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Mark Hammond
April 20, 2017, 7:37pm Report to Moderator

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It'll fit if you use the 1600 clutch, flywheel and release arm/bearing but the ratios will be unsuited and you'll find it fragile and it probably won't last that long as the 2 litre 'box is weak at the best of times and the 1600 'box weaker still still.

Mark


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glang
April 20, 2017, 8:22pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from paulfosh
ok not too worried about top speed , only use on country lanes odd a road do around 1500 miles a year , only going over to 2lt as hard to find parts for the 1600


Its not top speed thats affected as 4th gears a straight through drive whichever box you fit. Its just that youll be pulling away in second and then have to rev quite high before each change through the gears. A diff change would help, maybe a 3.63 from a 1500 spitfire but as Mark says your gearbox will suffer even more.....
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Pete Lewis
April 21, 2017, 1:41pm Report to Moderator

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what parts cant you find for a 1600 ,, apart from pistons all mk1 stuff is pretty much the same

if you fit 2ltr eng and clutch you ned the 2 ltr clutch throw out carrier as the height of the coil vs diaphragm is much different .


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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heraldcoupe
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The 1600 diff has small output shafts, these won't last long with the torque from the 2L. They're really under-spec'd for the 1600.

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Bill


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paulfosh
April 21, 2017, 4:07pm Report to Moderator

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ok looks like I may stay with the 1600 , is it worth keeping the 2lt engine just in case the 1600 does go at some point, then looking out for a box and diff to go with it . parts like valves pistons seem hard to find for the 1600 looking at the service history mine only seems to have had a headgaskit change that was 20 years ago at 70,000 miles now 92,000 ,only 3 owner, engine runs well just a few oil leaks. would I feel the power increase with the 2t my 1600 feels quick but not driven a 2lt paul
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Pete Lewis
April 21, 2017, 6:01pm Report to Moderator

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If the 6 still has type 12 brake calipers , they are best replaced with type 16anyway but certainly if you up to 2ltr

my 4.11 diff had the bigger outputshafts but this was changed to 3.89  ,
its worth pulling  shaft to measure the diameters inside
And a well set up 1600 on strombergs will give a 2 ltr a good run,  more  revy and certainly the smoothest 6cyl

Where did you think valves are hard to find they are the same as mk1 vitesse and gt6
And the steel shim head gasket  all easy available ,  only pistons are difficult  but then rebore and ft herald ones    


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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paulfosh
April 21, 2017, 6:25pm Report to Moderator

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good advice pete 1600 does feel quick ,not thought using herald pistons looks like I will sell on the 2lt engine paul.
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Pete Lewis
April 22, 2017, 9:16am Report to Moderator

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better move is to have a 4 synchro gearbox , i ran out of core and decided to have a mick papworth rebuild with the 18mm spigot to get some life ,

out of interest danny hopkins from practical classics drove mine back from a tssc stafford show and he still remembers doing over a ton with a smile saying i wasnt expecting that a best drive for years .
they may not have the toque of the 2ltr but can surprise a few



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1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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paulfosh
April 22, 2017, 3:53pm Report to Moderator

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will look into it , that's why I asked if 1600 gearbox will fit as mine needs replacement,  thought would save finding parts to make the 2lt box fit , have the 2lt clutch fitted so what else will I need  prop? ect paul
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glang
April 22, 2017, 5:41pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from paulfosh
will look into it , that's why I asked if 1600 gearbox will fit as mine needs replacement,  thought would save finding parts to make the 2lt box fit , have the 2lt clutch fitted so what else will I need  prop? ect paul


Im confused Paul, I took it you had a good 1600 box but knackered 1600 engine so were thinking of getting a 2L engine. Does the 1600 box need replacing as well?

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paulfosh
April 22, 2017, 7:47pm Report to Moderator

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the engine is good , box not so good on 2nd gear, was going to fit the 2lt as thought would be better parts wise now find out not so. just thought that fitting the 1600 box was the easiest way if fitting the 2lt engine. so now if I keep the 1600 is it easy to convert to the 2lt box bearing in mind I have the 2lt clutch fitted , bit confusing I know.
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glang
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Ok well if you use a 2L box with 1600 lump you'll have the opposite gearing problem although I imagine that the effect wont be so bad as the opposite way round. I believe this swap is pretty straight forward but the output flanges are different so you wouldnt be able to bolt up the 2L gearbox to the 1600 prop without a modification.
Why not overhaul your 1600 gearbox? It sounds like a new synchro ring or two would do it and using a workshop manual plus a bit of care its quite doable....
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