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Casper
March 19, 2017, 5:02pm Report to Moderator


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I didn't think the early ones had the aperture .. . . probably wrong.  I thought Bill had listed all the various types in another thread, but I can't find it.

C.


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Mark Hammond
March 19, 2017, 6:46pm Report to Moderator

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Might be wrong but I thought by '61 they all had the aperture.....

M.


Herald 1200 Saloon, owned (in the family) from new, Royal Blue/Black trim
[color=purple]MX-5 Z-Sport (Tweaked to 200bhp)2007,
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Jvvilliams
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Thanks a lot your advice so far! I'm the lucky owner now of the lovely Herald in question but am currently away so Dave offered to start the thread. As far as I'm aware, it's virtually all stock aside from a couple of door locks that had to be replaced, but I have a vague recollection of the car being 'restored' in approx the mid 90's but I'd have been less than 10 years old at that point! I've read through the service history and don't recall any record of either the valance or bonnet being replaced, but I dont actually recall any record of any restoration, so I'm not 100% my memory serves me correctly there. Once I get the service history from my uncle I'll check back through it all. Once we've had a chance to sort the rocker cover we'll update. I adjusted all the tappets (hopefully correctly) with a feeler gauge before I came away, so first job done. Just feels amazing to own the herald I dreamt of as a child.
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Mark Hammond
March 19, 2017, 7:28pm Report to Moderator

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Likewise, my grandfather owned my Herald from new, I remember going with him to the showroom to take delivery back in 1965.  These are charming cars, but being one of the earliest 1200s yours is particularly special especially as it retains many early features.  Meanwhile, here's mine.....

Mark



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herald948
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Quoted from Mark Hammond
Might be wrong but I thought by '61 they all had the aperture.....

M.

No, that definitely is a replacement (later style) valence. The change came roughly with the "MkII" chassis at GA80001 and future. My own GA41429LDL has the correct earlier style valence (although it is long overdue for some attention to preserve it, such as removing about 34 metric tons of filler and reshaping it more properly )!


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Jvvilliams
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Mark, that's a very nice herald! Looks beautifully maintained. I wonder if it would be possible to track down an original valance to fit... probably unlikely if the early 1200's are uncommon.
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Casper
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I wonder if it would be possible to track down an original valance to fit...


Don't fret about it.  It's only nerds like us that would even notice, let alone care.  I only spotted it because (sensibly) the number plate is positioned to expose the aperture.  if it was mounted higher no-one would be likely to notice.

We would love to know the Commission Number (don't post the last two digits if you are concerned).

C.


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Jvvilliams
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Forgive me for being naive, but where do we find the commission number Casper?
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Casper
March 20, 2017, 4:25pm Report to Moderator


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http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/images/TriumphHerald_NoLocation.jpg

It's on the V5 as well, because the plate might have been removed

It should be something like GAnnnnnnDL

C.


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Jonny-Jimbo
March 20, 2017, 4:28pm Report to Moderator

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That should be on a small aluminium plate on the side of the bulkhead. There will be a small tag that is painted body colour - that is the body number, and not really that relevant. The Commission number is that the DVLA records as the 'chassis number' for the car... and just to confuse matters further, there is a small metal tag welded to the front crossmember of the chassis under the engine which is the chassis number, but like the body number not what the DVLA record.

Also, I don't think anyone else answered the original post directly - the rocker cover is the original steel type. It's very thin. The aluminium one is a cast and machined unit, much thicker material.

Going by the colour, it MAY be a 'gold seal' factory replacement engine, but I can't remember how 'gold' the 'gold' paint was??


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Dave Williams
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Thanks for your interest and help all! The rocker cover hammered out easily and I'm just waiting for the new gasket to arrive. I know where to find the commission number, Joe. When the new gasket arrives I'll pop up and fit it, look up the number and report back. Prob next weekend.

Casper, you mention the last two digits - what do these indicate that we might be concerned? I thought it was just a sequential production line number?

Mark, your car looks great. We haven't cleaned Joe's of the 10+ yrs of grime its accumulated sitting in the garage yet but hopefully it will look as good when we polish up the paint and derust the chrome.
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Dave Williams
March 20, 2017, 4:32pm Report to Moderator

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Interesting info re the gold rocker cover and potential replacement engine Jonny-Jimbo. How do we check this further?
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Nick Jones
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AFAIK all 1200 engines had the  bronze/gold rocker cover.  I know my (very original when I got it) 1200 did as have most of the others I've seen.  I think I might even have it somewhere. Gold seal engines were gold all over and a lighter shade of gold.

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Casper
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Gold Seal engines were factory reconditioned engines from British Leyland/BMC.  
S-T named (and painted) some engines as 'Gold Star'.

herald948 (who replied above) has a great list of commission numbers and engine number so we should be able to identify if the engine (is likely to be that which) was originally fitted.

The GA indicates a 1200, the DL indicates a saloon car.

Some people are cautious about putting their full car identifying details onto the internet, being worried about [I'm not sure what].  But, we should be able to tell a fair bit about the car with a number within 100 of what it actually is.

C.


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Casper
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I'd not heard about 'Silver Seal engines before now:

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/engine/be100a.htm

C.


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