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CWDHull
March 4, 2017, 1:36pm Report to Moderator

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First post, so here goes. 32yrs ago My Dad bought a herald for my sister's 21st birthday. It was a surprise and I remember working with him on the car and being 11 I was captivated by the smells and look of the car. Now it's my turn, I'm clearing out the garage, joined the club, bought a few books and I am beginning to learn about this little beauty.

First things first, will I fit? I'm 6'4" and would like to comfortably drive her and the family around without making modifications (I had to do this to an old Fiat X1/9, small steering wheel fitted and still touched knees!). I know people say try before you consider buying, so does anyone know a member in the Bracknell, Berkshire area who would be willing to let me sit in and potentially share their insights into the car. Any assistance greatly appreciated!
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thescrapman
March 4, 2017, 1:51pm Report to Moderator

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6'4" not an issue I am sure.

Original seats possibly required and you may wish a slightly smaller wheel if for nothing more that losing the "Route,aster" feel of the original.

With a bit of luck Nick Jones will reply in a minute, he is definitely the wrong side of 6ft and has a Vitesse convertible.

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CWDHull
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Thanks Colin for the quick response, very helpful.
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Nick Jones
March 4, 2017, 2:21pm Report to Moderator

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Long legged 6'3" and I fit.  I have MGF seats fitted now, which help a bit by sitting you a bit higher, but the original seats were ok too before the bases fell out of them.  I don't have an especially small steering wheel either.  You can adjust the steering wheel position (needs spanners) to help with this.

There isn't a great deal of space behind me it must be said (MGF seats make this a bit worse maybe) but we did take the kids to Switzerland in it in 2009 when they were 10 & 13 (pic).  They don't really fit now though!

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Casper
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Yes, you should fit but with some issues.  Your eyeline might be close to the top of the windscreen.  A change of seats might be necessary.  Note that there are seatbelt issues with the convertibles - search the forums.

C.


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MDofTW
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I'm 6 ft, and am fine in mine. I have MX5 seats now - did have Saab seats, but they were too big, & didn't go far enough back because of the wider (to accommodate the folded roof) B post. I do feel a bit hunched over the steering (tummy doesn't help!), but head room is fine.
Re seat belts -get yourself some inertia reels. Mine are bolted to the rear wheel arch - and are fed through the slits in the edge of roof stowage ares behind .the B post.
Took my Vitesse out today for the first time in about 3 months - all well, and so nice to drive!😀
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CWDHull
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I will see if I can try one out and then consider the seatbelt issues on purchase. I don't think there is a Berkshire club meet, so I might have to explore to find a friendly Herald owner nearby!
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Scimher
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I'm 6'3"ish (long body, short legs - so, maybe have the trunk of someone 6'6" who has longer legs!) & don't have a problem in my 1200 convertible. It has 13/60 replacement seats; & they're fine. It's modern cars that normally find the top of my head pressing on the headlining...  
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upo
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I am 6ft 4in and I have 13,60. I do have a smaller steering wheel the main prob is having your legs placed to the right when you use the clutch ect. you will get use to it. (size 12 shoes in the footwell gets close to all peddles).  
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Dogsbody47uk
March 6, 2017, 9:05pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from upo
I am 6ft 4in and I have 13,60. I do have a smaller steering wheel the main prob is having your legs placed to the right when you use the clutch ect. you will get use to it. (size 12 shoes in the footwell gets close to all peddles).  


I too am 6ft 4in and have a 13/60. I have MX5 seats and a 14" steering wheel (I prefer a 13" but my wife says she can't see the instruments, she is only 6ft tall), and yes my size 12 feet can be a problem! My wife thinks the 13/60 is much more fun to drive than any modern front wheel drive car. She's learning fast..


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Matt306
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6'1" with MGF seats and standard steering wheel. Not much room in the back.


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ferny
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5'7", size 10 shoes  and had to have the original seats all the way back. Also have a small steering wheel as the original rubs my legs, same with a TR6. Now I've Mazda seats and they almost touch the rear seats.

I've no idea how you lot fit!


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Jonny-Jimbo
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Quoted from Matt306
Not much room in the back.


There's lots in the back of this car.




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Antonnick
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I am also quite tall but the seat itself in my newly aquired 13/60 convertible is not the issue.

I saw a Video which showed an early Herald Version where the steering column could be adjusted up and down. If I could adjust mine up that would help a lot but having removed the bottom clamp and the other column supports, there does not seem to be any adjustment possible?

Is there a trick? Or is the Position for the later Heralds fixed?


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glang
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never heard of any up n down adjustment but yes to in/out which, as the column is angled, does also give a some change in the height of the wheel relative to the seat base....
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ferny
April 2, 2017, 1:20pm Report to Moderator

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Use spacers. I've extended the Y bracket on mine and tge steering wheel is able an inch lower.


Acclaim - fully working and on the road
13/60 Herald - mx5 powered and other such fun things, legal enough...
Mk1 2000 - it's still alive, just sleeping
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glang
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at 6'4 I would have thought he would want to raise the wheel not lower it....
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Casper
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I've extended the Y bracket on mine and tge steering wheel is able an inch lower.

which will also move the top backwards

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5'7", size 10 shoes  and had to have the original seats all the way back. Also have a small steering wheel as the original rubs my legs,


Cause and effect ?

C.


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ferny
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Not really. The only reason the bracket was extended was to allow new dials to be fitted, which happened after the original seats were removed. The MX5 seats are lower as well.


Acclaim - fully working and on the road
13/60 Herald - mx5 powered and other such fun things, legal enough...
Mk1 2000 - it's still alive, just sleeping
Expert 815d - the slug

If in doubt, do up until you hear the crack and then go another 1/4 turn to ensure tightness.
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Antonnick
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Quoted from glang
never heard of any up n down adjustment but yes to in/out which, as the column is angled, does also give a some change in the height of the wheel relative to the seat base....


Sorry yes, that is what I meant. I assume that the locking arrangment is the flat "Impact clamp" ? I have removed this but cannot get any movement. Probably after nearly 50 years  in the same Position it the lower shaft has welded itself to the upperinner steering column.  The only solution I can see is to remove the complete steering assembly and free it up on the bench before replacing.

Does that seem Logical?



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Steve P
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I`m 6`2 with size 11 feet and would be happy to bring my Herald 13/60 convertible to Bracknell for you to try,I am 20 minutes away.
i find it quite comfortable,it has Vitesse seats and a smaller steering wheel but apart from that standard interior.

I did the RBRR in it no problem(apart from sleeping with the gale from the window gaps).

Pm me if your interested.
Steve


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glang
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Quoted from Antonnick


Sorry yes, that is what I meant. I assume that the locking arrangment is the flat "Impact clamp" ? I have removed this but cannot get any movement. Probably after nearly 50 years  in the same Position it the lower shaft has welded itself to the upperinner steering column.  The only solution I can see is to remove the complete steering assembly and free it up on the bench before replacing.

Does that seem Logical?



I think that if you undo the clamp and then turn the steering wheel and it still moves the rack then yes as you say the column must be seized
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Antonnick
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Yes that seems to be  the case. However, is it possible that some Kind of keyway exists in the lower column to prevent it turning inside the upper column?
I will find out in the next few days after I dismantle it.


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Nick Jones
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Quoted from Antonnick
Yes that seems to be  the case. However, is it possible that some Kind of keyway exists in the lower column to prevent it turning inside the upper column?
I will find out in the next few days after I dismantle it.


No keyway.  It will be rusty.  Needs to be freed up to work as Triumph intended - ie telescope in the event of severe impact - so worth doing!  Our Spitfire was the same and cleaned up fine once removed (which took some effort)

Nick


Nick Jones
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GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
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Antonnick
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Seized would be an Understatement. There was no way that the upper column could be freed in-situ. So I resolved to disconnect at the steering rack nuckle. Removing the upperpinch bolt did not free it. Removing the bottom one did and only with substantial hammering could I then remove the knuckle allowing  the whole steering column to be extracted from the inside of the car.

With the lower column then clamped in a vice more hammering was needed ( and I broke a nail   ) until it eventually freed itself enough.
to get free telescopic movement however, a lot of cleaning and oiling was necessary. what an effort just to have the steering wheel adjustable again.

Is this normal? Do others in the Forum adjust their steering anyway?



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glang
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I think these cars used to come from the factory with the steering wheel out as far as possible so as to maximise the collapsing effect and as most people find them relatively small theres never been much need to adjust....
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Casper
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That wouldn't have telescoped then!
I have several times adjusted the column on a car new to me.  It is not an easy or frequent adjustment, unlike modern versions.  Instuctions on 'how to' were not included in the Owners handbook, but they were in the owner's repair manual.

You will need to take particular care to reattach the steering knuckle in the correct alignment, or you will have trouble with your indicators (not) cancelling.

C.


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Antonnick
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Had not thought of that - thanks for the tip


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Dogsbody47uk
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I must be lucky because I've never had a problem with the sliding joint! Cheers, Dave.


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