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daver clasper
January 28, 2017, 1:26pm Report to Moderator
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Hi folks

My Vitesse has always made a noise on first of the day start up.

However it has now started making a bit of noise on re-starting after a few hours.

I decided to drive the front on onto ramps to listen underneath.  I was having to rev it quite high and slip the clutch to get it on them and it made a hell of a knocking sound.

Could this be the crank bearings, or a severe pink (it doesn't pink when going up hills in high gear).

Didn't seem unduly noisy when listening underneath, though no load on them I guess.

Oil pressure has always been good and still is

Any help great please.

Cheers, Dave
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Pete Lewis
January 28, 2017, 2:04pm Report to Moderator

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does it only do this when foot is ion clutch under load.

   thinking of thrust washer problems..,    press the pedal does the crank shift forwards a few thou  or something more excessive?


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
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daver clasper
January 30, 2017, 12:48pm Report to Moderator
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Thanks Pete

It has so far only done it when releasing the clutch pedal with load.

Twice, when moving off on a bit of gradient a bit of knock. Lot more knock when getting up the ramps.

Pressing the clutch it looks like crank is moving forward a least 0.5mm, (which is too much I guess) though bit hard to visualize accurately. It looked about this 10,000 ago when I got car.

I did fit the larger Landy clutch M/C recently, but wouldn't have thought would exacerbate the situation (have more pedal travel now).

Cheers Dave
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Mark Hammond
January 30, 2017, 7:29pm Report to Moderator

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Sounds like the age old thrust washer issue.  I would suggest stop using the car until you have resolved this or you risk the block becoming scrap.....

Mark


Herald 1200 Saloon, owned (in the family) from new, Royal Blue/Black trim
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Jonny-Jimbo
January 31, 2017, 8:44am Report to Moderator

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Yup - I ruined my old Herald engine this way - didn't make any funny noises etc, just put my foot on the clutch at a traffic island and the engine stalled. Considering I'd only been driving for a few months I was quite pleased to get it to work and then back home in the evening without using the clutch.


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daver clasper
January 31, 2017, 1:50pm Report to Moderator
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Cheers chaps

Is it the the rear main cap (that can't be suitably replaced) and the thrust face on the crank that gets mullered, do you know please.

Also, I have to do car work on the street (with smaller parts allowed on kitchen table), so will have to try it with engine in situ, as I understand it can be done.

How high would the engine be raised to get the sump off and would this give access to all mains and the thrust washers.

Any other tips would be great as well please.

Cheers, Dave

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Nick Jones
January 31, 2017, 2:04pm Report to Moderator

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The main cap does get chewed, but also the block and the crankshaft faces too.  All retrievable if caught early.

How much end-float do you have?  if less than ~ 1.5mm the washers are still in (but maybe pretty chewed). If more like 3 - 4mm they've dropped out.......

Can be done in situ but really not fun.  Engine needs lifting about 2" minimum.

Nick


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Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

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Dogsbody47uk
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I believe permissible end float on a Vitesse crankshaft is 6 thou to 14 thou (inches). Mine was 18 thou. No apparent damage and fitting new standard size thrust washers have taken it back to within tolerance. Cheers, Dave.


First Triumph: 200cc Tiger Cub. Followed by in no particular order, 350 and 500 Royal Enfield Bullet, Herald 1200, Herald 13/60, Mini 1275 GT, Vitesse 2L convertible, Audi 80, Audi 80 Sport, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, Triumph 2000, Mk 2 Estate, Fiat Tipo, Fiat Stilo, Fiat Uno, Peugeuot Turbo Diesel(yuk), Lancia HPE 2000ie (wow! a dream!) So far 3 Heralds and My fourth Vitesse in the garage. I may have forgotten some... It's my age.. Oh , Honda 400 four.. Terrifying! And the 2 Renault 5s. Oh, and the Ford Granada 3 litre estate..I think that's the lot.
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Nick Jones
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My old Vitesse engine measured at 16 thou in about 2005 and was still the same  when removed last year about 40k miles later.

New one, with a NOS crank and standard size PB thrust washers was 6 thou when built.  I should check it again now it's done about 6k and see what it has settled (hopefully) at.

Nick


Nick Jones
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Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

http://www.tengaston.plus.com
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daver clasper
February 1, 2017, 1:39pm Report to Moderator
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Hi
Been looking at car with a view raising engine to drop the sump.

Is it a case of packing out between engine mount rubber part and the corresponding large bracket fixed on the block.

Any ideas please?.

Cheers, Dave  
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Pete Lewis
February 1, 2017, 7:24pm Report to Moderator

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Jack on the crank pully and when sumps off a bar across the chassis rails

Not easy to block up the mounts from where they fit the turrets

pete


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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Pete Lewis
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Jack on the crank pully and when sumps off a bar across the chassis rails

Not easy to block up the mounts from where they fit the turrets

pete


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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Dogsbody47uk
February 1, 2017, 8:01pm Report to Moderator
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Try a substantial piece of timber underneath the gearbox/rear engine plate. careful positioning means the sump will be clear. Then jack it up, removing the engine mounting bolts as soon as you have got the weight off them. Cheers, Dave.


First Triumph: 200cc Tiger Cub. Followed by in no particular order, 350 and 500 Royal Enfield Bullet, Herald 1200, Herald 13/60, Mini 1275 GT, Vitesse 2L convertible, Audi 80, Audi 80 Sport, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, Triumph 2000, Mk 2 Estate, Fiat Tipo, Fiat Stilo, Fiat Uno, Peugeuot Turbo Diesel(yuk), Lancia HPE 2000ie (wow! a dream!) So far 3 Heralds and My fourth Vitesse in the garage. I may have forgotten some... It's my age.. Oh , Honda 400 four.. Terrifying! And the 2 Renault 5s. Oh, and the Ford Granada 3 litre estate..I think that's the lot.
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Mark Hammond
February 1, 2017, 9:01pm Report to Moderator

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Just take the engine out, far easier.

Mark


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mazfg
February 2, 2017, 8:24am Report to Moderator


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I took the sump out one January with engine in situ...not an easy job..but it can be done (preferably not outside and in January).
http://vitesse.no/Garage%202008-2009.html


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