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Matt306
December 19, 2016, 10:40pm Report to Moderator

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I acquired a Vitesse OD box today for the output shaft as its an OD box. It came with a bell housing which is alloy and light so much lighter than my cast iron job.

The fitting for the clutch are different and the input shaft on the box is longer, but can this lighter bellhousing be fitted to the Herald 1296 engine? If so has anyone done it and whats needed.

My long term plan is to fit three rail box with D Type OD to the Herald.

And if anyone has an adapter for a D Type OD please could i acquire from you?


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Nick Jones
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Vitesse bell does not fit a Herald (or Spit).  The input shaft of a the Vitesse 'box is longer and larger than a Herald one so that doesn't fit either.  Some early Heralds (and maybe Spitfires) had alloy bell housings.  They are relatively rare and tend to be fairly pricey now but are wonderfully light compared to the cast iron monstrosity.

The overdrive and adapter plate will be useful and mainshaft from the Vitesse box may be some use dependent on:

- it's not knackered - the mainshaft tip is very often worn.
- Whether you have a Vitesse 1600 3 synchro box or a Vitesse 2L 4 synchro box.  The former can be used with the guts of a 3 synchro Herald box.  The latter would be used with the 4 synchro 3 rail box from a MkIV Spitfire.

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CP72
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I have just put a repro alloy bellhousing from Bastuck into my Spitfire. Surprisingly it is well made and fits nicely. The Price is €150, which is not much dearer than an original one from the 60's. And it can be used on a single-rail gearbox, too.
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Quoted from CP72
I have just put a repro alloy bellhousing from Bastuck into my Spitfire. Surprisingly it is well made and fits nicely.


It always surprises me when Bastuck products are fit for purpose. The lighter bellhousing makes clutch changes a lot less cumbersome, but they tend to trasnsmit a bit more noise,

Cheers,
Bill.


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Nick Jones
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Quoted from CP72
I have just put a repro alloy bellhousing from Bastuck into my Spitfire. Surprisingly it is well made and fits nicely. The Price is €150, which is not much dearer than an original one from the 60's. And it can be used on a single-rail gearbox, too.


I wondered about mentioning those but as I know of two people who've had quite major dimensional problems with them I decided not to.  To be fair the problems were a few years ago.

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Matt306
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I have a spare Herald three rail box
This box came from a Bond Equipe the S/N starts HC it has the reverse switch on the top, might utilise that! The main bearings in the box are shot, I wouldnt use them anyway.

Here are the internals;




The main shaft will go off for a sandblast to clean it up.


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Nick Jones
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That's a 4 synchro box.  Can't see the main shaft tip (where it fits into the input shaft) properly, but what I can see looks a bit iffy?

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Matt306
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Can I use the main shaft with my herald box, or use the herald input shaft with this 4 synchro box, 4 Synchros has to be better than three!


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Pete Lewis
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in general yes , there were some  tooth profile changes in the evolution.
the mainshaft is common for 4sync 6 or 4 cyl  being tkc923 from memory.
if the herald input shaft has the correct tooth profile and ratio to the cluster then you can swap it
if it whines its a profile mismatch .
Pete


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I'll swap the input shaft for the three synchro herald into the four synchro box with the lay shaft gear and other gubbins and see how it fits.

Then just bang the OD on the back simples


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Nick Jones
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I didn't think it was possible to mix and match parts between 3 and 4 synchro 'boxes?  Could be wrong as I've never tried it.  Certainly you can't mix and match gears between 4 and 6 cylinder cars as the ratios are different.

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Matt306
December 22, 2016, 9:59pm Report to Moderator

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i'll let you know Nick


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Has anyone got a main shaft out of a 3rail box? The process is different for a standard box


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3 rail 4 synchro or 3 synchro?

We have a complete 3 synchro gearbox less OD, adaptor plate and remote here.  I've not dismantled it so can't be sure of condition, but the play on the input shaft seems reasonable and all gears are selectable.  Some light surface rust on the protruding shafts but nothing serious.

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4synchro. I have a spare non od three synchronized box. The main shaft is a doddle to remove can't figure the technique on these 4 synchros


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