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daver clasper
December 4, 2016, 1:23pm Report to Moderator
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Hi
While exiting duel carriageway roundabouts ect, in Vitesse, I'm frequently overtaken by the above (not exactly caning mine, though properly using twice as much petrol as them!).
Is this normal these days?.

Cheers, Dave  
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Pete Lewis
December 4, 2016, 1:28pm Report to Moderator

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Dave.......must try harder        Ha !


1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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Mark Hammond
December 4, 2016, 3:29pm Report to Moderator

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Yep.  What was once a quick car even 35 years ago, is pretty woeful by today's standards.  Even a 3 cylinder 1.0 eurobox will out accelerate a Vitesse to 60 and give a higher top speed.  It's supposed to be progress!

Mark


Herald 1200 Saloon, owned (in the family) from new, Royal Blue/Black trim
[color=purple]MX-5 Z-Sport (Tweaked to 200bhp)2007,
Suzuki Vitara S Auto, Cosmic Black, 2017.
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Rosbif
December 4, 2016, 3:29pm Report to Moderator

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Another answer: Don't use dual carriageways with roundabouts.


Ruby : 1968 13/60 convertible
"I'm not rich enough to buy cheap"

"If it isn't broken don't fix it" - where's the fun in that?
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glang
December 4, 2016, 4:12pm Report to Moderator

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But what about the style and sound you're exiting those roundabouts with! You get more looks than any car this side of 100k and thats worth loads more than fuel consumption and 0-60s....
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JohnD
December 4, 2016, 4:39pm Report to Moderator


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Indeed, 2 litres, OK 1998, and six cylinders and only 95 bhp?  

The pressure on manufacturers to produce frugal, low pollution engines has led to extraordinary advances recently.
For instance - other makers have similar - Fords Ecoboost series includes a three cylinder, 1 liter engine that produces up to 123bhp.

Your poor Vitesse never made more than 95 fresh out of the factory!  Two and half times less!

John


Serial Vitesse racer.

Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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cliftyhanger
December 4, 2016, 5:05pm Report to Moderator

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Just get heavier with the right foot if it bothers you, and explore the rev range further.
Yes you vitesse has (had?) Approx 100 bhp, but could well be down on power (rolling road tune can make a big difference) but if you stay under 3k revs, you may well be down to 40bhp, maybe less. You need to work out how to drive the car quickly, if that is what you want.  Takes a bit of effort, but if you want to learn then a track day is a great way.
Just so happens I have just checked into a hotel near brands hatch, trr track day tomorrow


Clive Senior

Location-Brighton, East Sussex
Foxy is here, 1500od tax exempt Toledo. Now has the decent engine back in Slant 4 engine bolted in, sprint box and axle.Now has fresh MoT. Needs paint though.
Spitfire Zetec project is started work progressing slooooowly on the road!
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Rosbif
December 4, 2016, 5:41pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from cliftyhanger
You need to work out how to drive the car quickly, if that is what you want.  Takes a bit of effort, but if you want to learn then a track day is a great way.
Just so happens I have just checked into a hotel near brands hatch, trr track day tomorrow


I've thought about a few times myself. Maybe I should book myself and my 13/60 convertible into a local circuit next spring.
Now where can I find one? I think there is one 45 minutes to an hour away. No point in giving its name as nobody will have heard of it. It's just a little used bit of track that people can thrash about on. OK, just in case you want to look it up on Google put in Lemans.



Ruby : 1968 13/60 convertible
"I'm not rich enough to buy cheap"

"If it isn't broken don't fix it" - where's the fun in that?
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Nick Jones
December 4, 2016, 6:20pm Report to Moderator

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I know mine is a little non-standard, but I don't get out-dragged very often........  Get out-dragged in the A8 more often 'cause the 6 mpg on trip computer when I hoof it makes me wince  

We have had some good dices with locals in the Pyrenees and Alps - Renault Twingo 1.3, Renault Traffic van, - we can keep up, but no way pass!

Nick


Nick Jones
Somerset UK

Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

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Russell
December 4, 2016, 6:25pm Report to Moderator

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There's an interesting review of a Ferrari 308 in this months Classic Cars magazine, where they comment that 'with everyday turbo-diesels putting out 250lb/ft of torque, these don't feel truly quick any more'.

We really are spoilt with modern engines, imagine if the cars they are in were a bit lighter.


Location : Ipswich, Suffolk, UK

-- on the road --
1970 GT6 MKII - Valencia Blue : Bought November 2012 : HCR'13
1971 Stag - Sapphire Blue : Bought August 2010 : HCR'12,'17, IAC'12, LMC'16 : LD748 (first one built in '71). Rover V8+LT77, Hard-top.
1972 2000 MKII Estate - Sapphire Blue : Bought November 2003. RBRR04, RBRR06, RBRR10, HCR09, LCC'09,'11, LMC'06,'08.'12
1973 2.5pi MKII Estate - Sienna Brown : Bought January 2015, returned to the road July 2015.
1975 TR6 - Carmine Red : Bought March 2009 : 10CR'09,'11,'13 LMC'10,HCR'11 . 10CR Done!
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mpbarrett
December 4, 2016, 8:22pm Report to Moderator
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I suppose the answer is to put a modern engine into to a light Triumph....... Perfect Q car!

mike


"Little Red", 13/60 Herald convertible with 1500 engine and O/D, (1/2 2007 10CR, 1/2 2009 10CR and 1 RBRR). March 2013 Back from darkest Norfolk and now very shiny.... 2017 rust coming thru again
"Little Blue", 2.5L GT6 mk3, Didnt do the 2009 10CR as it refuses��to leave East Anglia. Didnt finish 2010 RBRR due to vibration for propshaft and very doggy ignition. Finished the 2011 10CR, getting ready for the 2013 10CR. Broke down up a 2650M mountain. Now with new owner.
"Little Silver" Triumph Acclaim. Now owned by the editor of Triumph World. Since been sold on....
"Big Blue" 1972 blue TR6 the new toy Was fun one 10CR and a trip thru the Alps. Now in Wales.

Back to the Herald (about to get Megasquirted), Jag XK8 and a campervan.
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GT6 M
December 4, 2016, 10:15pm Report to Moderator

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30 odd yer ago, there wer,nt much at all that could beat the 2.5 pi GT
20 year ago, it still ok
10 yer ago,  most things baet on accel

noo, just aboot every car can dooit, esp if over 1.5 litre
MG6 we got, 250LB FT torques at 1700 rpms { most ev this, some alot moer, and family put puts !! }
it bloody flies in 3.4.5, 6 is a cruise really

AND, this is wid alott moer power than OE

for some obscure reason, Triumph must,v been one of the few,if not the only
car manufacturer, that actually gev their cars less power in a revised model

so tek for example GT1, it was quite qick for its day, 67!!, butt, still had same power, speed
when it was discontinued

Triumph missed oot this way, bigg style I think

M


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Ye div,nt efta no ooa thing wuks, t,no its nut wuk,n reet.







Scaryport,��Cumbria,.
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herald948
December 5, 2016, 12:23am Report to Moderator


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No one else has, so I'll ask: Does it really matter?  


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Jonny-Jimbo
December 5, 2016, 9:12am Report to Moderator

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Horses for courses.

The Triumphs were quick in their day, 50 years ago.
My E30's were quick and well handling... 30 years ago.
My 540i was blisteringly fast 20 years ago, and 300hp is still quite a lot. But it's a lardy old beast - off the line a light Eurobox will have it... until about 30mph, and then the only thing that's beaten it is a Bentley Continental GT (Dale seemed to enjoy this cars show at the autosolo this year)

But, my house mate was watching the 3rd episode of Grand Tour last night, and the Aston Martin had 600hp, and the Hellcat has 700hp. They are bonkers figures when you think that a Ferrari F40, which was once the fastest road car ever built, has 'only' 470hp.

So, an American lump of iron, an Aston Martin GT car, and even your average 'super-saloon' like an M5, AMG Merc, RS6 Audi, Jag SVRs ALL have more power than possibly the most bona fide super car of all time. (I make this statement based on lusting after a particular car rather than the absolute fastest etc).

So, basically, things change etc, but as has been said, your Vitesse will turn more heads than much else out there, and sounds glorious. If you want to go fast, give me the Vitesse and buy yourself something modern  


62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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daver clasper
December 5, 2016, 10:08am Report to Moderator
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Hi
the car "was embarrassed" as a figure of speech, certainly not me and I was also wondering if my particular car is on the slow side. seems maybe not judging from the replies.
Having a 50 year old classic is a totally different concept than a modern I know and that's what I love about it.

Thanks for all your replies.

Dave
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GT6 M
December 5, 2016, 12:00pm Report to Moderator

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your Vitesse will turn more heads than much else out there, and sounds glorious

Says Jimbo,

yer spot on ther, the amount of folk that look wen the GT goes past is unrel
even folk looking behint them as its coming to them,
cos the noise is totally diff to any thing eles aroond here

So, what ever it is, in decent shape, it,ll only get the looks,
sep ina car park full of modern hot stuff aroond it

Then, who has been showed up,!!!
And, wid yours, wen the suns up, ora nice day, yer the envy of most folk ina TinTop,
me included,!!

M


One does not have to know how a thing works, to know that it is not working right

Ye div,nt efta no ooa thing wuks, t,no its nut wuk,n reet.







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RobPearce
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Popped up to Tesco on Saturday in the GT6, because I needed fuel. Pulled up by the pump and the (old) guy in the SUV the other side walked round saying "I was wondering what sort of car that was but my wife said it says 'Triumph' on the back". Yes, people do notice our cars and are interested, positively, where their only reaction to faster, modern cars is boredom or "damned boy racer idiot".


Current fleet
1967 Vitesse 2L conv "Tessa"
1970 Spitfire Mk3 (project) "Toby"
1972 GT6 Mk3
Not enough time or space
Recently sold:
1972 2.5 PI estate "Harry" (gone to russell on here)
1973 Toledo 2-door "Spike" (gone to a club official)
Used to have:
1968 Vitesse 2L saloon
1980 Dolomite 1500
1977 Dolomite 1850
1980 Dolomite Sprint
1982 TR7 DHC Sprint
1975 2500S saloon
1971 Herald 13/60 Estate (with 1500 Spit engine)
1975 Stag
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JohnD
December 5, 2016, 3:43pm Report to Moderator


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I went to a track day a while ago, in Silverback, for some testing.
Everyone else was young lads in small/tarted up Euro/Japanese boxes, and I could see there was a bit of sniggering about what this old guy had brought along.
After a few laps, they were crowding round to see what I had.

It's not what you got, its what you do with it!
John


Serial Vitesse racer.

Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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glang
December 5, 2016, 4:21pm Report to Moderator

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What do you drive then John and is it standard?????
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GT6 M
December 5, 2016, 4:42pm Report to Moderator

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Glang, Just a Vitesse, wid a few small mods

M


One does not have to know how a thing works, to know that it is not working right

Ye div,nt efta no ooa thing wuks, t,no its nut wuk,n reet.







Scaryport,��Cumbria,.
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December 5, 2016, 5:03pm Report to Moderator


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Quoted from JohnD

It's not what you got, its what you do with it!
John


My wife would totally agree,thank god  


Herald 1500,rallyfied- overdrive,swing spring with 1500 spit diff,440lb front springs, adjustable height spax on front and back, trunionless conversion,thicker arb,rear roll cage,harnesses,bucket seats,extra gauges,Vitesse steering wheel,genuine 5.5j smoothies wheels,4 branch manifold
Still for sale

Mk1 2000 saloon,now a 2.5   

Timing marshal CT autosolo Bovington 2011,2012,half of 2013,2014 and 2016
Marshalled Essex winter rally 2013
RBRR 2012, co driver
24th Nachtrit 2012, navigator
Chinese rally 2013, navigator
Essex winter rally 2014, navigator
HCR 2014, co driver
RBRR 2014, co driver
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GT6 M
December 5, 2016, 5:27pm Report to Moderator

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At your age Dave, come on  is not help needed

M



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One does not have to know how a thing works, to know that it is not working right

Ye div,nt efta no ooa thing wuks, t,no its nut wuk,n reet.







Scaryport,��Cumbria,.
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December 8, 2016, 11:50am Report to Moderator

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Up on the A40 by Oswestry in my Saloon  the other week and got left behind by an old lady in a Ford Ka, blo*dy brilliant or what.

She was giving the Ford some serious stick, Jason Chinn was with me, we both gave her the thumbs up as we (eventually) overtook her!

Marcus is partially correct about Triumph power outputs diminishing through production runs, different measurement methods and emission measures took their toll.


Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run (Part of the organising team, what a team)!
RBRR is the best car event in the UK, not probably, it is!

1970 GT6 Mk.2: Royal Blue 6 RBRRs (98, 00,02,04,06 & 10), 2 10CRs (03 & 07). 2 HCRs 1 LCC, lots of Autosolos and numerous track days. Bought in 1983, crikey where did the time go! Now running the Roy Lacey cooling system!

1969 2.5Pi Mk.1: Slate Grey 3 10CRs (05,09 & 15), 3 RBRRs (08, 12 & 16), 3 HCRs, 2 LCCs. A few alloy panels, does need the pi kit fitting. Bought April '04. Needs paint! Just fitted some new 7J Minilites-not copies!

1967 Spitfire mk2: Wedgewood Blue. Bought November 2010. Almost seems civilised. Car has done a RBRR (Dave Picton 2010). Blimey, could be on the road soon!
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A mate and I went to a track day some years back. He had a 2500 Vitesse. His first run out they put him out behind two period modified Minis he was told this was because the Minis would have him. In very short order he overtook both the minis. (which you are not allowed to do) but that mistake did not happen again. Later on he even had a real good tangle with an old stripped out  RWD Toyota Supra.

Laurence


I remember being wrong once before Laurence Cochrane Newtownards Northern Ireland. 1972 Gt6 2600EFI The Mutt. Some original parts fitted, Not many ! Early PI motor overbored to 2.6. Lightened & balanced, ported chambered, cam'd 6-3-1 manifold. Running on DTA engine management system incorperating the PI throttle bodies fitted with electronic injectors and throttle position sensor. 0-60 4.7s & 7000rpm. Seriously annoys owners of modern stuff ! (particularly coz its a heap) 2500 S box with competition 28% od. 3.63 diff with a quaife in it, innit ! Rotoflex based rear but with a swing spring fitted & sliding shafts.(swing spring rotoflex without rotoflex's). Koni's front Spax rear. Hydraulic handbrake. Citroen xantia discs 11,1/4 in dia under Morris Garages 15 in Maestro alloys.
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...I called at the local coal merchants for a sack of coal on Sat. morn. - hadn't been there for several years...used to call in the Herald. I asked how his father was & whether he still had the Corvette - he had. He said that we still laugh & tell the story of how we overtook you on the Leek/Buxton road, carried on via Buxton & by the time we passed the cricket field at Ashford-in-the-Water you'd already parked up & must have been in the pavilion!
...I well remembered the occurrence - I cut across the moors & having taken both routes I know that it is shorter over the moors by 3miles - having said that, me & the little car knew the moorland route intimately &, no doubt, being on the last minute I wasn't hanging around...    
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JohnD
December 21, 2016, 9:25am Report to Moderator


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Casper,
Please STOP SENDING ME PMs ABOUT THIS THREAD!

Five this mormning. Three in the last 15 mins.  All about simple arithmentic.

STOP

John


Serial Vitesse racer.

Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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