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daver clasper
December 4, 2016, 1:23pm Report to Moderator
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While exiting duel carriageway roundabouts ect, in Vitesse, I'm frequently overtaken by the above (not exactly caning mine, though properly using twice as much petrol as them!).
Is this normal these days?.

Cheers, Dave  
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Pete Lewis
December 4, 2016, 1:28pm Report to Moderator

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Dave.......must try harder        Ha !

1964 1600 Vitesse 6 Cactus and Black , now  sold
now have T2000   Mk2 saloon in French Blue/grey trim  been  restored without running since 1997
now has power steering ,poly bushed and Alfa 156 seats
location  Luton
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Mark Hammond
December 4, 2016, 3:29pm Report to Moderator

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Yep.  What was once a quick car even 35 years ago, is pretty woeful by today's standards.  Even a 3 cylinder 1.0 eurobox will out accelerate a Vitesse to 60 and give a higher top speed.  It's supposed to be progress!


Herald 1200 Saloon, owned (in the family) from new, Royal Blue/Black trim
[color=purple]MX-5 Z-Sport (Tweaked to 200bhp)2007,
Suzuki Vitara S Auto, Cosmic Black, 2017.
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December 4, 2016, 3:29pm Report to Moderator

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Another answer: Don't use dual carriageways with roundabouts.

Ruby : 1968 13/60 convertible
"I'm not rich enough to buy cheap"

"If it isn't broken don't fix it" - where's the fun in that?
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December 4, 2016, 4:12pm Report to Moderator

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But what about the style and sound you're exiting those roundabouts with! You get more looks than any car this side of 100k and thats worth loads more than fuel consumption and 0-60s....
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December 4, 2016, 4:39pm Report to Moderator

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Indeed, 2 litres, OK 1998, and six cylinders and only 95 bhp?  

The pressure on manufacturers to produce frugal, low pollution engines has led to extraordinary advances recently.
For instance - other makers have similar - Fords Ecoboost series includes a three cylinder, 1 liter engine that produces up to 123bhp.

Your poor Vitesse never made more than 95 fresh out of the factory!  Two and half times less!


Serial Vitesse racer.

Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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Just get heavier with the right foot if it bothers you, and explore the rev range further.
Yes you vitesse has (had?) Approx 100 bhp, but could well be down on power (rolling road tune can make a big difference) but if you stay under 3k revs, you may well be down to 40bhp, maybe less. You need to work out how to drive the car quickly, if that is what you want.  Takes a bit of effort, but if you want to learn then a track day is a great way.
Just so happens I have just checked into a hotel near brands hatch, trr track day tomorrow

Clive Senior

Location-Brighton, East Sussex
Foxy is here, 1500od tax exempt Toledo. Now has the decent engine back in Slant 4 engine bolted in, sprint box and axle.Now has fresh MoT. Needs paint though.
Spitfire Zetec project is started work progressing slooooowly on the road!
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Quoted from cliftyhanger
You need to work out how to drive the car quickly, if that is what you want.  Takes a bit of effort, but if you want to learn then a track day is a great way.
Just so happens I have just checked into a hotel near brands hatch, trr track day tomorrow

I've thought about a few times myself. Maybe I should book myself and my 13/60 convertible into a local circuit next spring.
Now where can I find one? I think there is one 45 minutes to an hour away. No point in giving its name as nobody will have heard of it. It's just a little used bit of track that people can thrash about on. OK, just in case you want to look it up on Google put in Lemans.

Ruby : 1968 13/60 convertible
"I'm not rich enough to buy cheap"

"If it isn't broken don't fix it" - where's the fun in that?
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December 4, 2016, 6:20pm Report to Moderator

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I know mine is a little non-standard, but I don't get out-dragged very often........  Get out-dragged in the A8 more often 'cause the 6 mpg on trip computer when I hoof it makes me wince  

We have had some good dices with locals in the Pyrenees and Alps - Renault Twingo 1.3, Renault Traffic van, - we can keep up, but no way pass!


Nick Jones
Somerset UK

Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

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There's an interesting review of a Ferrari 308 in this months Classic Cars magazine, where they comment that 'with everyday turbo-diesels putting out 250lb/ft of torque, these don't feel truly quick any more'.

We really are spoilt with modern engines, imagine if the cars they are in were a bit lighter.

Location : Ipswich, Suffolk, UK

-- on the road --
1970 GT6 MKII - Valencia Blue : Bought November 2012 : HCR'13
1971 Stag - Sapphire Blue : Bought August 2010 : HCR'12,'17, IAC'12, LMC'16 : LD748 (first one built in '71). Rover V8+LT77, Hard-top.
1972 2000 MKII Estate - Sapphire Blue : Bought November 2003. RBRR04, RBRR06, RBRR10, HCR09, LCC'09,'11, LMC'06,'08.'12
1973 2.5pi MKII Estate - Sienna Brown : Bought January 2015, returned to the road July 2015.
1975 TR6 - Carmine Red : Bought March 2009 : 10CR'09,'11,'13 LMC'10,HCR'11 . 10CR Done!
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December 4, 2016, 8:22pm Report to Moderator
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I suppose the answer is to put a modern engine into to a light Triumph....... Perfect Q car!


"Little Red", 13/60 Herald convertible with 1500 engine and O/D, (1/2 2007 10CR, 1/2 2009 10CR and 1 RBRR). March 2013 Back from darkest Norfolk and now very shiny.... 2017 rust coming thru again
"Little Blue", 2.5L GT6 mk3, Didnt do the 2009 10CR as it refuses��to leave East Anglia. Didnt finish 2010 RBRR due to vibration for propshaft and very doggy ignition. Finished the 2011 10CR, getting ready for the 2013 10CR. Broke down up a 2650M mountain. Now with new owner.
"Little Silver" Triumph Acclaim. Now owned by the editor of Triumph World. Since been sold on....
"Big Blue" 1972 blue TR6 the new toy Was fun one 10CR and a trip thru the Alps. Now in Wales.

Back to the Herald (about to get Megasquirted), Jag XK8 and a campervan.
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30 odd yer ago, there wer,nt much at all that could beat the 2.5 pi GT
20 year ago, it still ok
10 yer ago,  most things baet on accel

noo, just aboot every car can dooit, esp if over 1.5 litre
MG6 we got, 250LB FT torques at 1700 rpms { most ev this, some alot moer, and family put puts !! }
it bloody flies in 3.4.5, 6 is a cruise really

AND, this is wid alott moer power than OE

for some obscure reason, Triumph must,v been one of the few,if not the only
car manufacturer, that actually gev their cars less power in a revised model

so tek for example GT1, it was quite qick for its day, 67!!, butt, still had same power, speed
when it was discontinued

Triumph missed oot this way, bigg style I think


One does not have to know how a thing works, to know that it is not working right

Ye div,nt efta no ooa thing wuks, t,no its nut wuk,n reet.

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No one else has, so I'll ask: Does it really matter?  

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
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December 5, 2016, 9:12am Report to Moderator

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Horses for courses.

The Triumphs were quick in their day, 50 years ago.
My E30's were quick and well handling... 30 years ago.
My 540i was blisteringly fast 20 years ago, and 300hp is still quite a lot. But it's a lardy old beast - off the line a light Eurobox will have it... until about 30mph, and then the only thing that's beaten it is a Bentley Continental GT (Dale seemed to enjoy this cars show at the autosolo this year)

But, my house mate was watching the 3rd episode of Grand Tour last night, and the Aston Martin had 600hp, and the Hellcat has 700hp. They are bonkers figures when you think that a Ferrari F40, which was once the fastest road car ever built, has 'only' 470hp.

So, an American lump of iron, an Aston Martin GT car, and even your average 'super-saloon' like an M5, AMG Merc, RS6 Audi, Jag SVRs ALL have more power than possibly the most bona fide super car of all time. (I make this statement based on lusting after a particular car rather than the absolute fastest etc).

So, basically, things change etc, but as has been said, your Vitesse will turn more heads than much else out there, and sounds glorious. If you want to go fast, give me the Vitesse and buy yourself something modern  

62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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daver clasper
December 5, 2016, 10:08am Report to Moderator
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the car "was embarrassed" as a figure of speech, certainly not me and I was also wondering if my particular car is on the slow side. seems maybe not judging from the replies.
Having a 50 year old classic is a totally different concept than a modern I know and that's what I love about it.

Thanks for all your replies.

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