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qed296
December 1, 2016, 9:33pm Report to Moderator


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I've seen a few on ebay of late but just wondered are they still available?

Seems a better option for me than just the arch repair patch.

Or does anybody no of anybody willing to sell a pair??
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Nick Jones
December 1, 2016, 10:26pm Report to Moderator

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If your current wings are only frilly below the swage line my view is that you are better off with repair sections.  They are even reasonably easy to make DIY.

Paddocks list them for £ 140 as side.  No idea what they are like.  Failing that Chic Doig seems to be good for panels.

Nick


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heraldcoupe
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Herald & Vitesse rear wings are notoriously difficult to fit. It's not down to the quality of the repair panels (even though that can be an issue in itself),  it's the distortion which so many bodyshells have suffered.

The shell sags and bulges for a number of reasons - overloading of the boot, rotten boot outriggers, poor quality chassis repairs - these all contribute to the problem. The shell can drop at the back end, provided the panels are left undisturbed, this can often remain unnoticeable on a complete and assembled car. The panel line where the upper and lower wings meet will however form a downward curve where it would have originally followed a straight line. Seperate the panels here and you'll find your new panel with a straight edge fails to meet the curved original upper wing.

If at all possible, I advocate repairing the arch as the best approach. If not, keep your fingers crossed that your shell is the same shape as when it left the factory,

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qed296
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Thanks Bill, unfortunately the cowboy has removed the original metal and fabricated a new one and then filled it with filler!!! It's a job in its self removing it, gone to be blasted now to see the full picture.


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heraldcoupe
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Quoted from qed296
Thanks Bill, unfortunately the cowboy has removed the original metal and fabricated a new one and then filled it with filler!!! It's a job in its self removing it, gone to be blasted now to see the full picture.


That's certainly a dilemma.

If you have to use new wings, try to obtain original Stanpart panels. Some reproductions get the dimensions of the swage above the arch wrong. The height from the centre of the arch to the swage is 41mm on an original wing, the repros often measure 46mm. 5mm doesn't sound like a huge difference, but it's very visible in practice.

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Nick Jones
December 2, 2016, 10:06pm Report to Moderator

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Hells teeth..... that is ugly.......  

See your problem and why you think new wings might help!

Nick


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MarkB
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I replaced a rear Vitesse wing with a pattern part from one of the main suppliers several years ago. It was about 1/4 inch to short in length, the pressing over the wheel arch was not as deep and defined as the original. The lower swage line where it should follow on from the door was about 1/4 inch to high. I initially tried filler to just the line and ad a bit of curve to follow the door profile. In the end I had to remove the tub again from the chassis and take it back home to repair, as the car is being put together in a lock up. Lots of work cutting and adding in new metal, complained at the time and they agreed they were poor, but thats all that was available at the time. I would look out for a Stanpart original or a good one that been cut from a tub, both surface occasionally, or repair your own. Personally I wouldn't use a repro again.

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qed296
December 2, 2016, 11:20pm Report to Moderator


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Cheers for this, good info as always.
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Mark Hammond
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Rear wings on Herald/Vitesse's are notoriously difficult to fit for a number of reasons, not least of all, the reasons that Bill has outlined and also, the centre of the panel over the wheel arch is bowed outwards slightly and the reproduction panels fail to take that into consideration and are flat.  The panels are often too long which means plenty of fettling around the door shut join into the B post.  The spot welding into the B post and along the horizontal seam is hard to achieve without massive distortion and the rolled seam welding there the panel buts up to the rear light mounting panel is very hard to achieve without distortion.  Occasionally there are "complete" rear quarter panels available on eBay which comprises of the B post, both upper and lower wings and the light mounting panel already assembled.  These are easier to fit as the places which distort due to welding are far more concealed and visually the fit and final finish is more factory fresh than just replacing the lower outer panel with a pattern panel or even a Stanpart replacement.

Mark


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qed296
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Well it gets worse....I paid for new rear wings on both sides but after being blasted today it's very obvious that I've been well and truly duped...One side has been done flat and filled with filler, nearly 1" thick.....The other side well, it's just filler....

Taken in early 2014 :


Taken today late 2016:


Doesn't take a genius to see that jack squat has been replaced....

Can't wait to see what the bonnet looks like.....I think we know what will be found...
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Jonny-Jimbo
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I have a whole NOS Stanpart rear wing - if Lloyd would like to borrow it for getting panels made then he's welcome to, but unfortunately it's not for sale - It's for my own Vitesse.

Are all those marks in the wings from where you've been chipping the filler out, or from before the filler was applied?


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qed296
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From before, you can see them in 2014 pic, I'll post some more from inside the tub taken today....

It's almost past saving I think.....I'm pretty down beat now....
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qed296
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Thoughts welcome....



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Nick Jones
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Oh dear.  That is proper rough.  Rust and previous crash damage by the looks, with some very low quality repairs of both to add to the pain.

If the floors and understructure are reasonably rot-free then it may still be worth repairing (no small or easy job though) otherwise I'd suggest hunting down another tub.  A convertible tub with rotten floors might provide the parts yours needs or vice versa.

Nick


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qed296
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I know some might not agree but I was toying with buying another complete car to sacrifice, seems tubs are few and far between......
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marktheherald
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13/60 (1500 o/d) Estate

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Everything is repairable, but I agree, that is bad. Tubs do come up, although they're often saloon ones when someone has swapped a saloon to a flop-top. Karl at KD Triumph did have a tub or two kicking around, not sure if he's still got them though. Might be worth a try if you're struggling.


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67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
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Jonny-Jimbo
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Quoted from marktheherald


Have you seen that guys username on ebay!!???  



62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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Casper
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qed296
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I think that's as bad, and his user name is interesting....
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thescrapman
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That doesn't look too bad to me!

Has yours been rippled by the grit blasting?

Cheers


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Quoted from Casper

I have a coupe and a convertible tub here, both are worse than this one. Also both will see the road again.


1968 mk 1 estate for sale (now sold)
1967 vitesse convertible (needs rebuilding)
1967 mk1 gt6 (in bits)
1966 mk3 spitfire o/d (work in progress)
1984 Capri ( off road since 1999)
1977 stag ( floor rotten)
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19?? Herald/vitesse estate next project
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bxbodger
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When I bought my Vitesse, my rear tub was pretty much like that eBay one, and the car was on the road with an mot. There were no repair sections for where the boot floor meets the back axle tunnel back then so I had to make them up myself, but they're available now. Apart from that bit on the tonneau panel which might be a bit fiddly, that tub looks to be an easy repair given the repair sections available today.


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13/60 (1500 o/d) Estate

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qed296
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As always a full detailed advert.
I looked at one for a workshop jack, thinking it would list the usual spec of it, oh no...just "Jack..New in box" well with that info I bought 5!!
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cliftyhanger
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To be fair, it looks pretty reasonable. It is very difficult to describe a tub in words, and yes, the pics are not great. But if you are interested, ask specific questions?
In fact, that is probably where sellers go wrong. Poor photos, and a bit suggesting punters ask if they require specific pictures or further information.
And ultimately, you need to see it for yourself. That maybe after the end of auction, and if "not as described" walk away.


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marktheherald
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13/60 (1500 o/d) Estate

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qed296
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I did look at that too....I think by the time I've driven about wasted time and being disappointed it will be just as much effort restoring the original tub
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