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RichardT
November 18, 2016, 1:49pm Report to Moderator

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Hi
I am new to this forum and I need to find a reasonable replacement chassis for a MK2 Vitesse which was sadly in a bit of a smash recently. The car has more sentimental than monetary value and we would like to put her back together.
Can anyone help find a chassis?

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vitessesteve
November 18, 2016, 2:54pm Report to Moderator

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Before throwing your chassis away consider the fact that all the outriggers and side rails are available new.  What is damaged?

I wrote a blog post about fitting the body to the chassis which has a lot of info about what shape the chassis should be. http://vitessesteve.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/fitting-vitesse-body-to-chassis.html

Traders such as Canley Classic stock bits to repair your chassis: http://www.canleyclassics.com/triumph-vitesse-mkii-chassis/




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RichardT
November 18, 2016, 3:36pm Report to Moderator

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Hi

I agree - The chassis would be better repaired as it spent a long time in South Africa and is in good order. However it looks like the impact which was on the offside front has bent one of the main rails and looks like it has pushed the other over slightly. At the moment it looks like a struggle to straighten it. A used chassis may be an easier option.

Richard
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Dogsbody47uk
November 18, 2016, 3:44pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Richard. I have a Mk2 chassis for repair. Main rails are good, most riggers need replacing. Cheers, Dave. Ps.is advertised on the forum under Parts for Sale.


First Triumph: 200cc Tiger Cub. Followed by in no particular order, 350 and 500 Royal Enfield Bullet, Herald 1200, Herald 13/60, Mini 1275 GT, Vitesse 2L convertible, Audi 80, Audi 80 Sport, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, Triumph 2000, Mk 2 Estate, Fiat Tipo, Fiat Stilo, Fiat Uno, Peugeuot Turbo Diesel(yuk), Lancia HPE 2000ie (wow! a dream!) So far 3 Heralds and My fourth Vitesse in the garage. I may have forgotten some... It's my age.. Oh , Honda 400 four.. Terrifying! And the 2 Renault 5s. Oh, and the Ford Granada 3 litre estate..I think that's the lot.
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willows40
November 18, 2016, 11:51pm Report to Moderator

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Not the most sensible thing to ask on an open forum. The cars id in the most part stays with the chassis, you change the chassis you could lose the id of your car if the relevant authorities find out.
If you could find a new chassis that is allowed


1968 mk 1 estate for sale (now sold)
1967 vitesse convertible (needs rebuilding)
1967 mk1 gt6 (in bits)
1966 mk3 spitfire o/d (work in progress)
1984 Capri ( off road since 1999)
1977 stag ( floor rotten)
1970 herald convertible, 948 bonnet,twin carbs,o/d etc on road
1971 mgbgt auto (rolling resto)
19?? Herald/vitesse estate next project
1992 merc 190e auto (daily drive)
1973 mk3 gt6(project)
1962 herald coupe being rebuilt with vitesse running gear
1972  mgbgt
to many cars not enough time
location wymondham,norfolk
http://www.classic-resprays.co.uk
classic resprays and welding
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glang
November 19, 2016, 9:34am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from willows40
Not the most sensible thing to ask on an open forum. The cars id in the most part stays with the chassis, you change the chassis you could lose the id of your car if the relevant authorities find out.
If you could find a new chassis that is allowed


Is there an ID plate attached to the chassis then? Ive never noticed mine so where abouts is it?
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Dogsbody47uk
November 19, 2016, 9:48am Report to Moderator
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There is no ID on a Vitesse or Herald chassis. The Id is on a plate riveted to the nearside bulkhead. Cheers, Dave.


First Triumph: 200cc Tiger Cub. Followed by in no particular order, 350 and 500 Royal Enfield Bullet, Herald 1200, Herald 13/60, Mini 1275 GT, Vitesse 2L convertible, Audi 80, Audi 80 Sport, Fiat 124 Sport Coupe, Triumph 2000, Mk 2 Estate, Fiat Tipo, Fiat Stilo, Fiat Uno, Peugeuot Turbo Diesel(yuk), Lancia HPE 2000ie (wow! a dream!) So far 3 Heralds and My fourth Vitesse in the garage. I may have forgotten some... It's my age.. Oh , Honda 400 four.. Terrifying! And the 2 Renault 5s. Oh, and the Ford Granada 3 litre estate..I think that's the lot.
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JohnD
November 19, 2016, 10:15am Report to Moderator


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There is an ID plate on a Triumph chassis.
It's stamped on a small steel plate, tack welded to the front left outrigger, but as that is such an exposed position it's frequently lost, either to rust or O/r repleacement.
And it was only used in production and not recorded in the final documentation, so as dogsbody says the car's ID is the alloy, longer lasting, plate on the bulkhead.

And from the officila Gov.Uk website: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles
How to:

Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)
You must also have 2 other major components from the original vehicle from the following lists.

For cars or light vans:

suspension (front and back)
steering assembly
axles (both)
transmission
engine
For motorbikes:

forks
wheels
engine
gear box

So a Triumph with a new/different chassis, original body and mechanical parts is completely legal under its original registratiion number.
No need to even ask the DVLA for 'permisison', just do it.
It gets a bit iffy when people sell just the V5 papers, nothing else, so that another car can be built up on that ID from a box of bits, to carry a new alloy ID plates with the right numbers stamped in.  But are the Gov really going to try to prove criminal intent and prosecute?

Far more criminal acts have cloned allegedly 'historic' and highly valuable cars, like Bugattis, for sale at the inflated price of a car with sporting history.
John


Serial Vitesse racer.

Old Blue.  1995-2001
Silverback. 2001-2007
SofS. 2007 - to date.

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willows40
November 20, 2016, 12:40am Report to Moderator

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The chassis when made had a number on it, but nothing to do with the V5
The commission no on the plate is what dvla use to id the car, To keep original id you have to have a certain amounts of point. Each major component has a certain point value. If you go under a certain amount of points the dvla can start to get awkward about keeping the cars id.
On a car like the Herald the chassis carries the most points. Like John says if everything else is original you can get away with using a secondhand chassis but if something like the engine has been changed in the distance past you could be opening a can of worms for yourself.
Nothing to say you can't change the chassis only just don't make it common knowledge.
Chances are the dvla wouldn't check on a low value old car but they are getting stricter on it than a few years ago so better to be safe than sorry

Cheers Andy


1968 mk 1 estate for sale (now sold)
1967 vitesse convertible (needs rebuilding)
1967 mk1 gt6 (in bits)
1966 mk3 spitfire o/d (work in progress)
1984 Capri ( off road since 1999)
1977 stag ( floor rotten)
1970 herald convertible, 948 bonnet,twin carbs,o/d etc on road
1971 mgbgt auto (rolling resto)
19?? Herald/vitesse estate next project
1992 merc 190e auto (daily drive)
1973 mk3 gt6(project)
1962 herald coupe being rebuilt with vitesse running gear
1972  mgbgt
to many cars not enough time
location wymondham,norfolk
http://www.classic-resprays.co.uk
classic resprays and welding
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glang
November 20, 2016, 8:10am Report to Moderator

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Well I think the OP has more worries finding a new chassis/repairing the old'un than about those nasty DVLA spies catching up with him
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thescrapman
November 20, 2016, 8:34am Report to Moderator

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I would get hold of the alighment drawingas and check how bent itis first.

The front 2ft of the chassis is removable as it is just pushed inside the mainrails and welded in place.

So if a straight front could be found.

Other option I guess would be to find 2 straight main rails and use them to mend your chassis.

Cheers


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heraldcoupe
November 20, 2016, 12:22pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from thescrapman
I would get hold of the alighment drawingas and check how bent itis first.

The front 2ft of the chassis is removable as it is just pushed inside the mainrails and welded in place.

So if a straight front could be found.


I rcently carried out a similar repair on my 1200. I had access to a new front bar and chassis extensions, but I opted to use a secondhand front end instead as these parts came pre-aligned that way.
Rather trying to dig out the sleeved section inside the front end, it's easier to cut the new section flush where it exits the main rails and butt-weld the sections together. Overall alignment can be a bit tricky, but set it all up on a flat floor and take plenty of measurements before tack welding, then more measurments at every stage. My alignment wasn't 100% to my own irritation, but close enough to get the bonnet and valance aligned better than most.

This job was a lot less work than a full chassis swap, I would do the same again,

Cheers,
Bill.


Enthusiast and collector of early Heralds.

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