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th1360
March 16, 2016, 7:03pm Report to Moderator

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No connection to car or seller but have just spotted an interesting Vitesse saloon for sale

http://www.carnellclassiccars.co.uk/listing/triumph-vittese-2ltr-stage-one/

According to the advert the car has been prepared to to race/rally spec including a stage one 2ltr engine coupled to a 5 speed gearbox

Is a five speed gearbox conversion a common/popular upgrade to Vitesses?

Advert states work took around 3 years and was completed in 2012 at a cost of over £50,000 with every receipt in date order from Jigsaw racing

Currently for sale at £22,500 - I can not recall seeing such an expensive Vitesse saloon before but obviously a huge amount has been spent to get it into its current condition



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Nick Jones
March 16, 2016, 8:59pm Report to Moderator

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Well, I do like it.  

However, £22k is a shed load of money for a Vitesse, no matter how much the build cost.

Also original, or at least original spec cars usually command top money, and this isn't.  I'm not even sure whether it's a mk 1 or Mk2, though inclined to think the base car was Mk2.  It has features of both.  Mk1 external looks (good IMO), Mk2 engine (good IMO), probably roto rear, probably CV shafts (good IMO).  Presumably a Ford T9 gearbox fitted, which is good provided it's the v6 version.

Seats possibly Alfa ones (good) and interior looks nice.

My biggest gripe...... why paint a Vitesse to look like a Lotus Cortina??

Nick


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Jonny-Jimbo
March 17, 2016, 8:16am Report to Moderator

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That is stupid money! For the faults that are there I'd expect the asking price to be lower. Front over riders look to be on the piss, and missing the alloy bumper covers. The car does look nice overall, but I can not see how it can warrant that as an asking price!

Never seen a race or rally car with so much interior, a radio, carpets etc and no roll cage and harness...


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Nick Moore
March 17, 2016, 9:04am Report to Moderator

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'Rally-Spec' has to be sales-speak. Maybe it adds £10k to the price? Jonny's right, it conjures up knobbly tires and a stripped out interior. 'Fast Road' is more like it, a slightly tweaked standard car with all the creature comforts. I like it, but at half the price.


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Slimboyfat
March 17, 2016, 9:46am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Nick Jones

Also original, or at least original spec cars usually command top money, and this isn't.  I'm not even sure whether it's a mk 1 or Mk2,
Nick


MKII bonnet badge, MKI grille, Herald number plate light cowl.


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garyf
March 17, 2016, 10:04am Report to Moderator

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Nice looking Car in the Lotus Cortina Colours but an unrealistic price to say the least!

You can never recoup what you spend on a Herald/Vitesse especially when you pay a specialist to do the work?

The seats may be MGF.
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Stuart Wilson
March 17, 2016, 10:47am Report to Moderator
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I do like it, but as everyone else says it's a bit pricey. Think I'd be changing the green stripe to red or blue


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gravelrash
March 17, 2016, 1:29pm Report to Moderator

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It does look nicely put together, but that price  

I do wonder what the black spots are on both cills? Modified jacking points?
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Nick Jones
March 17, 2016, 1:41pm Report to Moderator

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Seems to line up with the middle outrigger so you jacking point suggestion seems like a good guess.

If the green stripe was pale blue instead it would a reversal of the works cars colours and more fitting perhaps......

Nick


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Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
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thescrapman
March 17, 2016, 1:46pm Report to Moderator

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It is "Road-Rally" spec, for events such as regularities by the look of it. Evoking the classic events of the sixties etc.

And is that a Halda on the dash??

There's a couple of grand of the asking price if it is.


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10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 2013 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

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Jonny-Jimbo
March 17, 2016, 1:51pm Report to Moderator

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I also note it's unique, being a 'Vittese'...


62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
95 BMW E34 540i - 4L V8
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Rosbif
March 17, 2016, 2:11pm Report to Moderator


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Quoted from Nick Jones


My biggest gripe...... why paint a Vitesse to look like a Lotus Cortina??

Nick


Maybe because there is a Lotus badge on the rediator grill?


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Nick Jones
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Quoted from Rosbif


Maybe because there is a Lotus badge on the rediator grill?


Ah...... the missing £ 10k  

Nick


Nick Jones
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Vitesse Mk 1.5 Convertible EFI, Survivor of RBRR 2008, HCR & 10CR 2009, HCR 2010, 10CR2011, HCR 2012, 10CR2013, 10CR2015, HCR 2016 & HCR 2017.
GT6 Mk3 Roto - project in progress
Spitfire MKIV son's project now on the road as a daily driver
2.5 PI Saloon now EFI (PIe?), Engine rebuilt and running sweet.  Diff howling...... Survivor of HCR 2013 & 2014 Gone to live in Swansea

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Jonny-Jimbo
March 17, 2016, 3:10pm Report to Moderator

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Oh for god's sake... what the hell is Lotus about it??


62 Vitesse 1600 - Slammed & modified
67 2000 - Fitted with 2.5 o/d - 2012 RBRR, 2015 Essex Rally, 2016 HCR, 2016 RBRR
67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
90 BMW E30 318iS - Building to FIA spec
90 Mazda Eunos 1.6 - 'Popeye'
93 BMW 530i - Donor
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JohnD
March 17, 2016, 3:41pm Report to Moderator


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"race/rally spec"?

Wood-rimmed steering wheel - Tick.  Ditto Halda, map reading light and some stop watches.
But no roll cage, no extinguisher, no FIA cut-out, three point seat belts (OK for some hillclimbing, but not rallies), and those very low-slung wheel-barrow exhausts.
And "Stage 1"?    It has a tubular manifold, but it's still running Strombergs, for goodness sake.

If the advertisers had gone for a little less hyperbole, this could well be described as a "gentleman's luxury touring car", no expence spared.
Lovely, if rather over priced.
As it is they can and should be mocked for being just silly.

JOhn


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SullyUK
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Having just been made aware that the Vitesse now has a new owner and just to clarify a few points that have been posted here I thought I would post this. Cutting through the sales blah that the classic dealer whom I sold it to who has (dealers have a tendency to do) embellished somewhat so I thought it best to give a little history on the car in question.

Firstly this car was my build, from a very tatty MK2 (but much loved) and it was built for me by Mark and his team at Jigsaw (and when I could spare the time working on it I did also) to enjoy spirited classic motoring with comfort and improved handing all based upon a period theme. So using some original period items, Smith's rally set, Rally master timer, map light, steering wheel, Lucas lamps etc alongside modern parts ie genuine minilite wheels I felt I created something that certainly had the period sports look and feel to it. It was never built to rally or race.

Alongside this I had the solid 5 speed box installed along with the modern CV coversion. I mixed up some MK1 parts (grille) and herald parts (rear number plate light)  just as Triumph may have done back in the 60's and enjoyed seeing what worked for me visually and Mark practically. The jacking point was installed similar to the period works cars had and it worked with a period rally jack. The seats are actually MX5  two piece seats recovered in period coloured vinyl and stitched to match the back seat and were very comfy I also used MX5 retractable seatbelts with with some fettling fitted perfectly, various interior MK1 bits were used such as rear quarter panels as they were on offer at the time in the right colour.. I Dynamatted the inside and had a bespoke rooflining fitted and installed Bluetooth for iPod connectivity which made the inside a nice place to sit and drive.  As for the exhaust it made the car sound beautiful and I loved it irrespective of others personal views. I picked the colour and certainly didn't care for the sad rivit counters out there attitude of  " Not being an original triumph colour" who gives a s#@t what you think??? it was my car!  Terry Hunter (Triumph works really driver) liked when he visited Jigsaw so much so he signed the interior boot lid. The lotus badge was a funny gift from Mark at the Stafford TSSC  show where it it was placed 2nd in the modified class so I put it on and left it there.

Having read some of the comments on here it just re-enforced the reason why I decided to sell and never really enjoyed the company of some classic club members. Opinions are like a#*holes everyone has got one, the trouble is that some opinions come from a#* holes. Appreciating that someone can fund another old car back onto the road irrespective of whether it's your taste or not is only a good thing especially if you are a true enthusiast. I enjoyed the project and yes it cost me a fortune, but hey I could it afford it.  It served as my wedding car complete with brown string and tin cans, it surprised many a modern car way from the lights and the deep roar through the pipes always brought a smile to my face, however I decided to sell and I don't regret it and loved the time it was in my possession. Good luck to the new owner.

J  
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nicmk1est
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so you spent 50k on it then? or is that salesman bull?
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poppyman
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I have to say  to SULLYUK  very well done, and like you i think who cares what others think
It's your car (or was) so its up to you what you did with it
I think the colours look great and looks as someone would have done years ago.  
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thescrapman
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I think the dealer hyped it up quite a bit.

Does anyone know what it actually sold for?


Schadenfreude expert and collector of assorted rusty Triumphs on the Essex/Suffolk Border.

2010, 2011, 2013, 2015 and 2016 CT Navigators Championship winner.

10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 2013 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

On the road.
1968 Spitfire Mk3 : 1973 TR6 : 1967 Herald 1200 Estate 1970 : 1968 Mk1 2.5PI 1968
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1967 Moss Monaco (Mk1 GT6 based) : 1970 Spitfire Mk4 : 1970 Mk2 2000 auto  : 1964 Mk1 2000  : Mk2 2.5PI
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SullyUK
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The question is what does it matter???? It was built, enjoyed, sold and re bought, it never ceases to amaze me  people's quest for knowledge of other people's business spend some more of that time you have to enjoy life and your cars!


J
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Quoted from SullyUK
The question is what does it matter???? It was built, enjoyed, sold and re bought, it never ceases to amaze me  people's quest for knowledge of other people's business spend some more of that time you have to enjoy life and your cars!


J


I totally agree, just enjoy them With or without "anorak"

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Quoted from SullyUK
The question is what does it matter???? It was built, enjoyed, sold and re bought, it never ceases to amaze me  people's quest for knowledge of other people's business spend some more of that time you have to enjoy life and your cars!


J


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