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tomtrumpet
August 18, 2015, 9:45pm Report to Moderator

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Hello, I,m in the process of rebuilding the rear hubs on my 66 1200 Herald. I've tried everything at my disposal to pull the rear hubs without damaging either the hub flange or the half shafts, I have tried a very high quality Sykes hydraulic puller a slide hammer and adapted my old mini flywheel puller, non have been successful.

My choices now are to buy a specific puller, or take them to a specialist. Could anyone recommend a cost effective puller or point me in the direction of a specialist in the Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire area that could pull these damn things off!!!!
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nang
August 19, 2015, 2:27am Report to Moderator

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Unfortunately you 'll need a proper puller or you'll distort the flange. Someone on here, near to you may have one to lend or you could buy one from Canleys or Rimmers. They're not cheap though.
Don't persist with any other puller though. The taper one the shaft and hub make it almost impossible.
Tony.


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cliftyhanger
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You may have already distorted teh hub, do check carefully. I have a t shirt from long ago. As above ONLY the proper puller will do the job without fear of bending anything.
There shoudl be somebody up that way able to do the job.

be aware if the bearing is noisy at all the halfshaft will also be scrap. The needle rollers run direct on the shaft


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Jonny-Jimbo
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If you can travel a little further, KD Triumph is in Coventry just off the M6, close to the M69 junction. Tell him Jimbo sent you...


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77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
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88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
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tomtrumpet
August 19, 2015, 7:22am Report to Moderator

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Cheers chaps, Coventry is not too far so I may tootle up there.

Half shaft is not noisey but there is end float ie. The bearing carrier moves along the shaft about 1mm but not at 90deg to the shaft so hopefully the shaft is ok?
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johnmosborneuk
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Having recently had the same issue I would highly recommend the puller that eBay seller sponmon sells; his puller is very well engineered and worked a treat  
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tomtrumpet
August 19, 2015, 12:22pm Report to Moderator

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Once the hub is off is bearing replacement fairly straightforward? I've done most jobs on this car but never been in the rear hubs!
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RobPearce
August 19, 2015, 12:36pm Report to Moderator

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Usually, yes. The bearings normally come off easily (unlike on the Rotoflex hubs) and go back on with the usual bit of a push. Refitting the hub is very simple, except for the matter of holding it firmly enough to achieve the 120lbft torque (but you can postpone that until it's on the car, with the wheels on to hold it still).


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Rallyspit
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Is Worksop near enough for you? I have the correct puller which you could borrow. My technique is to tighten the puller onto the hub flange and - instead of getting a hernia - I put the whole lot in a vice and set an air gun (on the lowest torque setting) banging away at the nut. Heat also helps. It normally takes 10/15 minutes to shock it apart. Always use a new hub nut on reassembly. It may however be that you've already bent the hub flanges - in which case I could also have some spares, assuming they are the same as a Mk3 Spitfire. PM me if interested.

Mike
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tomtrumpet
August 19, 2015, 1:26pm Report to Moderator

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Cheers for the help chaps and thanks for the offer Mike that's very kind of you.

I've been in touch with kd triumph, Karl said he'd remove the hubs for me and I'll also be able to buy any bits I need once I'm there aswell.

Glad the bearings a easy once the hub is off, I'm presuming it's the ball bearing that controls end play so that's where the wear in mine must be.
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Hallum
August 21, 2015, 7:47pm Report to Moderator


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I went to do mine not to long ago to discover this horror    Needle rollers had collapsed this was the result to the half shaft. Still makes me shiver now  



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Scimher
August 23, 2015, 3:27pm Report to Moderator

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....My car is off the road, at the moment, making a noise from the rear off-side hub.....The annoying thing is that it is the same driveshaft & bearing that were replaced about 5yrs. & 15,000miles ago - said items being furnished by a reputable specialist...   
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tomtrumpet
August 24, 2015, 1:59pm Report to Moderator

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Still not got the hubs off, can't get in touch with kd, they seem quite elusive.

I may take you up on your offer rally Spit!

In the mean time I have compiled quite a list of parts I need and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on good suppliers?  Back 5/6 years ago when I had my spit i used trgb, rimmers, Canley classics and chic doig. Service from all 3 was fine but with varying price differences, rimmers being pricey. As long as I get good quality parts for reasonable cost and knowledgable staff I'm happy.

Anyone any advice?

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cliftyhanger
August 24, 2015, 2:12pm Report to Moderator

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i happily use James paddock and Canleys.
Paddocks handily do free postage these days over £10, which is always a nice bonus


Clive Senior

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Foxy is here, 1500od tax exempt Toledo. Now has the decent engine back in Slant 4 engine bolted in, sprint box and axle.Now has fresh MoT. Needs paint though.
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Rallyspit
August 24, 2015, 3:27pm Report to Moderator
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Hi Tom,

PM sent
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tomtrumpet
September 5, 2015, 11:28am Report to Moderator

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Public thanks to rally spit!

I went to his house yesterday and we battled fo well over an hour to free the hubs. One came off in seconds but the other was a real pig.

The method that got it in the end was to heat the hub with the puller off as it acts as a big heat sink! And then use a air driven wrench rattle it and then a punch placed through the hand brake hole in the back plate with a couple of whacks off it came.

Again many thanks rally.

Will report back on shaft condition later today!
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tomtrumpet
September 5, 2015, 12:09pm Report to Moderator

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Oh I forgot to ask in my last post if anyone had any advice of how to get the trunnions off the shaft, my triumph factory is manual is missing that page!

My circa 1965 Haynes manual suggests some how pushing the trunnions further onto the shaft so a puller can be placed on the bearing? Don't quite understand that?

My thought its to put a puller on the trunnions and pull it off bearings and all?

Thanks Tom.
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Pete Lewis
September 5, 2015, 4:33pm Report to Moderator

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if always just put the shaft in a vice to support the trunion and used a soft headed mallet to knock the shaft out of the bearing housing

on refit get it close to its original position and refitting the hub and nut will pull the shaft through to its running position,
check the drum and back plate are in there respective positions as there is no register to position the bearing  ,, wonderful design

Pete


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tomtrumpet
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Ok I'll give knocking it out a go.

Yes it has occurred to me there is no positive location point for the trunnions, my factory manual gives a dimension measured from the end of the shaft to the bearing face of 2.625" which must be wrong as that would not allow the hub to even fit!

Looking again at the manual cross sectional drawing the front face of the hub is in contact with the inner bearing race so I'm thinking lightly locate the, knock the trunnions up to the face of the hub and then torque up the nut?

All in all odd design as the only thing that keeps the run ion in place on the shaft is friction from the ball race!!! Must work though.

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tomtrumpet
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Trunnions are off! I'm going to attempt to attach some pics of one of the half shaft as it has some marks where the needle bearing runs, i Think it's servicable but would just like to run past you fellas.

the play in one of the trunnions appears to be slight bearing wear but oddly in the other the ball bearing is loose in the trunnion! I'm wondering if someone has fitted the wrong bear or the trunnion has somehow worn?

very strange!



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Richard B
September 6, 2015, 7:49am Report to Moderator

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I would say not servicable. The roller bearing runs directly on the shaft and that looks like the hardening has gone.


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tomtrumpet
September 6, 2015, 8:03am Report to Moderator

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Certainly on the edge.

Like a fool I put a new UJ on before checking. If I get a new shaft I wonder if I could carefully remove the UJ and put it on the new shaft without damaging it?
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thescrapman
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That does not look reusable.

For refitting I am sure I read (from an expert) that you just torque up the hub and the trunnion housing ends up in the right place.

It makes sense if you think about it.


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tomtrumpet
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looks like it may be a new shaft then

The trunnion will only end up in the right position if it is fitted close enough to the end to enable the hub to push it to the correct position, if it does not contact the hub it cannot be pulled up by the nut and will require knocking up to the hub.......the question is which way is best?


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thescrapman
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That was. What I intended to say. Fit too close to end and let hub push it to correct position.


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2010, 2011, 2013, 2015 and 2016 CT Navigators Championship winner.

10CR 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011 2013 - RBRR 1990, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 - Nachtrit 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2012 - Chinese rally 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - HCR 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 (3rd place), 2014. 2015, 2017

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MarkB
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Hi all

I pulled my GT6 Rotoflex rear hubs today to upgrade  to M12 wheel studs. I made up this puller from a Spit front hub years ago when the proper Churchill tool was not readily available. Probably not as good as the proper tool, but hasn't failed yet on a Spitfire GT6 and Vitesse.

Mark



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Paul Garvey
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Jigsaw do uprated shafts - don't know how much thicker, price or if they still use needle rollers direct onto the shaft.

http://www.jigsawracingservices.co.uk/suspension.htm

Another option from the States - with nice chunky sleeved bearings - but pricey:
http://www.chequeredflagracing.net/Custom_Parts.php

Paul


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PeteH
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HI

Can I "Bump" this thread, I am into a full refurb of a `71 Herald 13/60. And have come across the same issue, the Hub is resisting ALL attempts at removal including a 10t press and heat!. The end result is that I can see distortion in the flange. I need the hub off to refurb the damaged parts (Backplate and grease retainer).



Has anyone local to HULL. got access to the type of puller required. OR anyone got a Photo(s) of the Puller?. I have access to welding and machining kit and may be able to fabricate something that will work. IF I know what I am looking at?

Regards

Pete
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Jonny-Jimbo
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If you're stuck, I have spare shafts knocking about... but I'm in Coventry, not Hull...


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67 2000 Estate - Dormant
70 Herald 13/60 - First car, many bits
77 CZ 125 Sport - 70 miles on the clock
77 Kawasaki KM90 - Shop hack
81 Yamaha DT125 - Many bits
88 Ginetta G4/4 - Dead
88 BMW E30 320i - For Sale
89 Citroen AX GT - Rally car!
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PeteH
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Hi

Thanks for the info, I have most of the Bit`s I need kicking about in the garage I am sure. Hopefully some welding and a bit of Lathe work will produce a satisfactory Answer. Once removed a light skim should true the hub back up.

Hopefully a replacement shaft will not be required. but I will NDT the Hub before I refurb anyway.

Cheers

Pete
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PeteH
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Finally got the Hub off. the Mk3 puller worked!, (5" weldable pipe flange, 2-1/2" Galvanised Pipe 1" BSW Threaded stud with 2 nuts, and a lot of rather scruffy weld!), with the judicious use of the 7lb hammer!. (Mks 1 and 2 failed, But I have to admit my welding was not of the best!.) I had to Modify a bearing puller to remove the Trunnion, but the surfaces look as if they will take a new Needle roller. Hopefully the last damaged threads on the shaft can be recovered

Edit:- Clocked the hub up in the lathe and did a light skim of the face, Now Rebuilt and cleaned Painted. Checked the "run-out" on the Hub face @ less than 0.5mm. Threads are now OK, only light damage in way of the first 2/3 threads which are well past the Nut. Now moved on to cleaning up the spring. (post elsewhere)

Pete
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