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Jordan T
November 25, 2011, 10:32pm Report to Moderator


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Hi Ya Folks,

I was just wondering, on what chassis number did triumph stop the option of the Contrasting black or white stripe on the Vitesse models?  

Also Curiously, my Vitesse Mk1 has 3.5J 145 80 13 tyres rims and tyres (I know its supposed to have 4.5J x 155 13), however two of them have wider slots than the other two?? When did the slot sizes change?  

Jordan  


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Mark Hammond
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Quoted from Jordan T
Hi Ya Folks,

I was just wondering, on what chassis number did triumph stop the option of the Contrasting black or white stripe on the Vitesse models?  

Also Curiously, my Vitesse Mk1 has 3.5J 145 80 13 tyres rims and tyres (I know its supposed to have 4.5J x 155 13), however two of them have wider slots than the other two?? When did the slot sizes change?  

Jordan  


Hi Jordan,

Both saloon and convertible Vitesse 6 (1600) models were available with a side flash which was a tapering spear down the sides, this incorporated the headlamp surounds and included the grille surround panel.  I don't recall ever seeing any 2 Litre cars officially built with the stripe and certainly it was never available from the factory on MKll cars.  Like the Herald 1200, I think the duotone colour schemes were phased out during 1966, just leaving a residue of duotone 12/50's filtering into 1967.  Like the 2 Litre Vitesse, the 13/60 was also never officially available with either duotone paint or a side flash.  I personally don't like the retro added stripes on later Vitesses and on earlier cars where the wrap-around bit on the front has been omitted, just looks incomplete.  I also think that adding the stripes on Heralds looks odd too, although I am not adverse to duotone schemes on 948 and 1200-12/50s.  Then again I am a traditionalist.  I once saw a Gold Vitesse saloon with a Silver "sandwich" done in the way that a Herald duotone scheme is done, and I have to say that it did look striking, not to my taste though.

Sounds like your Vitesse has Herald wheels fitted, two of the earlier type.  I never can remember which are earlier, narrow or wider slots....

Mark


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herald948
November 25, 2011, 11:39pm Report to Moderator


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As to the wider-slot (earlier, and there are actually two different versions of these) wheels, I would hazard a guess that they were phased out sometime around 1966, but I really can't verify that. Bill? others? I will say that I don't recall seeing any 4.5" wide-slot wheels, but....


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Mark Hammond
November 25, 2011, 11:44pm Report to Moderator

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Be useful for someone to post a pic of each, side by side so I can see the difference!

Mark


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Jordan T
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Pretty interesting stuff mark and andy! How such minor details change over the years on our cars  

Mine is one of the later Mk1's, 9000 out of 12000 or something like that. As i'm eventually going to respray my car its original colour, Cherry Red, i was wondering whether or not to add a black stripe and front, (See the picture below   )

I'll take my trims of today and snap some photo's  

Also, My Vitesse has a rev counter with no or little orange section and a large red section. However, i've also got two other vitesse rev counters, except they have larger orange sections and large red sections too, on what cars did they change the rev counter printing on? (Photo's to come   )

Jordan



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Stu 1986
November 26, 2011, 10:41am Report to Moderator


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My 13/60 Convertible has a stripe or flash on the side and I love it. I think they look nice in the right colour, but some are a little wrong. I think it's down to owner preference though, but with all the little differences on these cars it makes them individual and therefore special.  
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Casper
November 26, 2011, 9:23pm Report to Moderator


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When did the slot sizes change?

hazard a guess that they were phased out sometime around 1966


Narrow slot wheels (3 1/2") from GA164781 in Nov 1964, but I expect the usual long changeover.

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Be useful for someone to post a pic of each, side by side so I can see the difference!


Check your back issues of the Courier, Mark (if you haven't thrown them away on leaving!)
Bill did a really good article on wheels about a year before he jumped ship.  Sadly, its not one that I keep in my 'ready reference' files so I can't point you to it.

C.


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Mark Hammond
November 26, 2011, 9:29pm Report to Moderator

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Funny thing is Con, I haven't actually left.  I just don't get involved anymore.  I retained membership because with the insurance discount it effectively paid for membership.  

M.


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GarthT
November 26, 2011, 10:11pm Report to Moderator


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Like Stu, I think they are quite acceptable on the right car. I have a stripe on mine when it shouldn't be there. It goes onto the headlamp surrounds but not round the grille. It looks ok and it's simply there as the previous owner put it on, it looks good but when I respray it, it'll be left off to see what it looks like. Mine also has Triumph letters on the bonnet, again a legacy from the PO, changeable, but I can live with it for now.


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mazfg
November 26, 2011, 11:58pm Report to Moderator


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Mine is a Vitesse 6, Cactus green with a black stripe that covers the MKI bonnet grille area....presuming this is how it is meant to be..


Current: Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible with O/D 1964

21 Years ago...and my first car! : Triumph Herald 1200 Saloon/ Tristan conversion 1966
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lordleonusa
November 27, 2011, 12:46am Report to Moderator


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The Red and Black car in the photo above belongs to Clive Bergman, and that is the correct scheme.

Leon


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Jordan T
November 27, 2011, 9:42am Report to Moderator


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What colour red is that car Clives car then, picture above?  


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Mark Hammond
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I'd say Signal Red with a black flash, but could be Cherry (can't see enough of it)...

M.


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Jordan T
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Here another pics of Clives car, it truly is lovely!!!!



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Mark Hammond
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That red looks like Signal Red to me....

Mark


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GarthT
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What a gorgeous looking Vitesse. The panels look perfect.


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Stu 1986
November 27, 2011, 9:30pm Report to Moderator


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The paint is beautiful, I bet you could shave in the refection it gives
With the flash going over the lights and grill it makes it look like a bandit, which I think is cool.  
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lordleonusa
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It is Signal Red with black flash


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Mark Hammond
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Leon, that one looks like a late 6 to me, not a MKl 2 Litre....

M.


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Pretty interesting stuff mark and andy! How such minor details change over the years on our cars  

Also, My Vitesse has a rev counter with no or little orange section and a large red section. However, i've also got two other vitesse rev counters, except they have larger orange sections and large red sections too, on what cars did they change the rev counter printing on? (Photo's to come   )

Jordan


I know the Vitesse Mk2's have a different Rev Counter to the Earlier Cars, I also suspect the 1600 Vitesse 6 may have a different rev counter to the 2 Litre Mk1 with regards to the Orange/Red line sectors and sizes?

Clives car is a beauty and looks like a Vitesse 6 1600 to me (No 2 litre Bages to the Grille or sides of the Bonnet).

Regards

Gary  
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Jordan T
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Cheer's Gary, i think the later cars had the little orange sections  
There aren't allot of cherry red cars, Does anyone have some pictures of Cherry red Herald and Vitesse's?  


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Cheer's Gary, i think the later cars had the little orange sections  
There aren't allot of cherry red cars, Does anyone have some pictures of Cherry red Herald and Vitesse's?  


Jordon

Just had a look at a photo of the Interior of my Car from when I restored it, the Orange section starts at 5500 RPM, with the Red Section very Small between 5,900-6,000RPM, I'm 99% certain its the original Tachometer that was fitted to Mk2 Vitesse, I thought the earlier Cars had a Larger Red section of similar size to the orange, but I may be getting mixed up with the Spitfires?

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Gary
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Mark Hammond
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Here's one...

Mark



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Jordan T
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So here some pics chaps, As they say, A Pictre can describe more than 1000 words (or something like that  ,

The Wheels,
These are pictures of my passenger side wheels with the Latice trims and hubcaps removed, The two front wheels have the short & wide, and the two backs wheels have long & narrow wheels. As said before all four wheels are 3.5J x 13.  

The Rev-Counters
The rev counter in my cars has the large ornage and little red, but the spare one has a large orange and large red also.  

Regards

Jordan



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The Rev-Counters
The rev counter in my cars has the large ornage and little red, but the spare one has a large orange and large red also.  

Regards

Jordan[/quote]

The Rev counter fitted in your Dash is the same as fitted to my Mk2 Vitesse, the one on the Bench is the later Vitesse 6 (1600) one fitted from around late 1964 (I think) when they changed the Dash layout to include seperate Speedo, Tacho, Temp & Fuel guages.

I'm still not sure what type should be fitted to the 2 litre Mk1 Cars from 66-68, I've got the Herald/Vitesse book by Graham Robson at home, I'm sure that will confirm what type was fitted, will try and find it out and have a look 2nite?

Not sure on the Wheel rims, the Costigan Herald/Vitesse book may shed some light on this, I know it goes into some detail on wheels and dates when fitted, trouble is my copies up in the loft somewher
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Re opening an old thread here.
My Vitesse 6 is now Signal Red, it was Cactus Green with a side black flash.
I have an idea for the paint scheme on my car so does anyone have any photos of a Signal Red Vitesse/Herald with a Gold flash and possibly gold wheels.
Or could a clever person do a photoshop of one
Something like this is what I am thinking, maybe without the gold roof.

Thanks
Adrian



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bit off the colour but my Vit6 did not have the grille panel in black ,  don before i had her ,but adds a different spin on the style



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