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Jordan T
June 22, 2011, 7:10pm Report to Moderator


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Hello There,

Just a quicky, What does the 'E' stand for on the end of an engine number?

Thanks

Jordan


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Mark Hammond
June 22, 2011, 8:29pm Report to Moderator

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E is for Exchange.  So on a Vitesse HB000001  is HB=Vitesse 1600/early 2 litre, then the engine number in this case 1 then the suffix which might be HC standing for High Compression or LC for Low Compression then E if it is a factory exchange unit.

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thescrapman
June 22, 2011, 8:55pm Report to Moderator

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Going from my various cars

E is for Engine.

HE for High compression engine
LE for Low compression engine

ESS for a slver seal replacament engine.

HEBW if it started life attached to an autobox

Hopefully someone will be along in a minute that knows what they are talking about.


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heraldcoupe
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Quoted from thescrapman
HEBW if it started life attached to an autobox


Every day's a schoolday, I never knew that one. Never owned an automatic!

There's also the FRE suffix, usually used on engines supplied as Factory Reconditioned (Rebuilt?) Engines and stamped on a brass plate.

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logicaluk
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on my block there's some letters at the end of the engine number looks like a fraction stamped in small type, ill post a pic to show you just wondered what i mean when i can get to the car.
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herald948
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...HEBW if it started life attached to an autobox....
Interesting! I've very, very little experience with such beasts and didn't know that Triumph did this on the engine numbers as well as commission numbers! The BW refers, of course, to Borg-Warner, supplier of those wonderful automatic gearboxes.



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thescrapman
June 23, 2011, 8:53am Report to Moderator

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Well that is based on a sample of 2 big saloon engines, 1 of which i know had an auto on the back originally as it still has the auto exhaust and signs that it has been converted.

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Jordan T
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Wow Very interesting!

So just to clarify, The 'E' on the end of my engine stands for Exchange or Engine?

My engine number is: HC9060E   Thats all, i thought it stood for economy so a low compression engine. I thought this because i have a really old haynes manual, and it has the specifications for the Vitesse a GT6 Economy and standard engines.

Is any light at the end of the tunnel?


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Richard B
June 24, 2011, 10:12am Report to Moderator

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I thought HE on the end meant High Compression. So yes E would be for the low compression (overseas) vervions.


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heraldcoupe
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Quoted from Richard B
I thought HE on the end meant High Compression. So yes E would be for the low compression (overseas) vervions.


E means Engine, nothing else.

Most Triumphs have HE or LE, High Compression Engine and Low Compression Engine respectively.

Don't assume that a simple E means low comression, there's no evidence for that to be the case. For the record, Y128 (Herald Coupe) has engine number Y201E. There's nothing to distinguish it as different from any other home market engine.

Why just an E suffix? I don't know, but I do know what it isn't.

To stick a finger in the air and make a guess, it's possible the engines were numbered before heads and other compression specific components were added, ie before they were defined as High or Low compression.
That would make sense with Y201E, an engine built very early in the production run, when initial production stocks were being built up.
But that's nothing more than a bit of theorising on my part, don't take it as fact.

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alpinemauve
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Most cars seemed to be High Compression Engines.
Low compression engines were fitted as standard to countries with Low-Octane fuel, as a non exhaustive list so far I have established they were:
Greece
Uganda
malta
Cyprus
mauritius
Ceylon (Sri Lanka) - quite a popular export post possibly for a halfway house for cars destined for other areas.
Trinidad
Libya
Kenya
Pakistan
Gold Coast
Nigeria
Jamaica - seem to like convertibles
South Africa
Thailand

As far as I am aware the difference was a compression plate, longer pushrods, different gaskets and different spark plugs.


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Quoted from heraldcoupe
Don't assume that a simple E means low comression, there's no evidence for that to be the case. For the record, Y128 (Herald Coupe) has engine number Y201E. There's nothing to distinguish it as different from any other home market engine.
Right! Witness the fact that the "big TR" wetliner engines had simply the "E" suffix, but most of those engines as fitted into the sports models would've been considered "high compression" engines.



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Jordan T
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Quoted from alpinemauve
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As far as I am aware the difference was a compression plate, longer pushrods, different gaskets and different spark plugs.


are there anymore signs or differences betwween a HC and LC engine which tell me whether my engine is HC or LC?


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The 1200 engine in my Herald started life in a (?1961) Standard 10 van.  The 1200 engine was apparently fitted to the 10 before the Courier replaced the model.  This is (was) an LE engine (Prefix BE).  The head was much deeper - no compression plate, and yes, 'standard' pushrods were needed when the CR was paised.
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logicaluk
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i finaly got round to taking the pic what do you make of this ?



Dan


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Frank 1984 triumph acclaim (new project go fast)
The special 1964 Herald 1200 ish Hotrod
ginger 1983 Triumph Acclaim CD in Oporto Red (awating some serious work)
1984 Triumph Acalaim (Project GO FAST) too far gone
1968 Triumph Vitesse 2l in Red & white gone to denmark
Boo 1983 Triumph Acclaim HLS in champagne  in boxes.
Margo 1982 triumph Acclaim HL in champagne, currentley the 4th oldest mk1 known. gone to a good home
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